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So in the ~50 posts written so far, the biggest word I don't see yet wrt Tesla is "supercharge", as-in their supercharging network. It remains an enormous Achil
by xoa 6y ago
So in the ~50 posts written so far, the biggest word I don't see yet wrt Tesla is "supercharge", as-in their supercharging network. It remains an enormous Achilles' heel for competitors that really kind of puts a hard stop on a lot of other debate in my opinion. So far in the US at least it's still the case that everyone sort of seems to be assuming that eventually widespread generic charging networks will, like, just kind of happen on their own. And that probably will be true. Eventually. And I know there have been some haphazard plans to address it. But the fact on the ground remains that every other network seems to really suck in comparison to the infrastructure investment and quality-of-experience Tesla has made. Superchargers are starting to reach the point where they're reliably available nearly any time they're needed (ie., on trips beyond normal nightly charging). The experience of using them is convenient and pleasant. They're clean. They're not broken regularly. They work.
Yeah Telsa's quality control issues are real. I agree that cars like the Ioniq 5 look very interesting in terms of interior design and QoL features that I care way, way more about than some theoretical top speed or acceleration or whatever that I'll never remotely touch in my life. But then inevitably when considering full ICE replacement (and cars in the $30k+ price class for most of us are going to be main vehicles not just-for-going-around-town) it comes back around to the whole actually-getting-electricity-into-the-vehicle-on-long-trips bit and woof.
A few months back HN had a long thread on an HBR piece "Tesla’s charging stations left other manufacturers in the dust" [0], and it says it all. If other manufacturers can't get that sorted out it'll continue to be a major drag on their ambitions and give Tesla more runway to sort out their growing pains. Tesla is ultimately an electric infrastructure company along with cars, and I think that does matter at this stage of electrification.
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0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25930253 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25930253
- basch 6y agoThat seems backwards to me, this next generation coming out absolutely does fit the around town car. I am not sure what percentage of the population fits "couple, one commutes to work, one is at home, live around a metro" but having a EV for city driving, and a ICE for road trips would be a completely normal configuration for many families in America, and kicks the charger network question down the road for at least half a decade. If it can replace ONE ICE vehicle, and you still own another, range becomes a non-issue. Now its a question of cost, can they deliver the experience at $20k. A $20K car that is delivered now, and a charging network that comes later may not hinder people from dipping their feet into their first EV. Charge time is the part of the car that cant be upgraded later, network can. Tesla has what, 1000 charging stations across America, and Electrify America has 500?
- clouddrover 6y ago> Tesla has what, 1000 charging stations across America, and Electrify America has 500? Considering all CCS networks, including Electrify America, there are currently 4,238 CCS charging sites in the US and Canada. Set the charger type to "DC Fast" and the connector to CCS to see an overview: https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/find/nearest?fuel=ELEC https://afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_locations.html#/fi...
- sgerenser 6y agoI was just looking into this yesterday, and one downside is there seems to be a lot of DC “Fast” chargers that have a limit of 24KWh. Better than level 2, but that basically means sitting around for well over an hour for even a 50% charge. Not a fan of Tesla so hoping the CCS charging network continues to expand and actually be fast.