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> the rampant piracy that Android's open model makes trivially easy Respectfully, I would like a citation on this. How is piracy for Android any easier than s

by kop316 6y ago

> the rampant piracy that Android's open model makes trivially easy Respectfully, I would like a citation on this. How is piracy for Android any easier than say, Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux?

nsomaru 6y ago
Why leave out the only actual platform that android competes with, iOS?
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  I don't think Android really significantly competes with iOS or vice versa. Android and iOS are almost entirely independent markets. The competition for Android devices is other Android devices. The competition for iOS devices...isn't.
  - JKCalhoun 6y ago
    That's an interesting take. I think you're right. I don't think that was the case 8 or so years ago, but I agree it appears that way now. (Anecdotal: gave my dad two hand-me-down iPhones. Because of the cost he was never going to buy one (on a fixed retirement income after all). Him and his wife having used iPhones now seem to have crossed over. I suppose I'll have to keep sending him over my old phones from now on.)
- kop316 6y ago
  Becuase I want to know if the reason they say piracy is easy is because users can install their own apps (which to me is a red herring, as Windows and Linux, this has been true for decades and there are established ways to curtail piracy[1]), or if there is actually a reason that piracy is easy on Android. [1] https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe...
pja 6y ago
I guess the point is that of the two main mobile platforms, it’s much easier to pirate Android Apps than iPhone Apps. Desktops are a whole different kettle of fish, which is why profitable companies have (mostly) given up on selling software & are making money via SaaS approaches on desktop.
- necovek 6y ago
  That's most likely not [1] why software companies like AutoDesk, Adobe or Microsoft (with Office365) are moving towards a SaaS model: regular monthly payments add up to more than one-time licenses, and provide a more predictable revenue stream. Market was willing to accept that, so there was no reason for them not to do it. [1] Citations missing for my claims too! :)
shimfish 6y ago
From 2015. No reason to believe things would have got better since then. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/05/monument-valley-developer-only-5-of-android-installs-were-paid-for/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/05/monument-valley-developer...
- kop316 6y ago
  > How is piracy for Android any easier than say, Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux? I'm not arguing if it is easier, I am asking how is it easier? That article does not answer how.
  - why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago
    Aren't APK files simply java .jar packaged together? It's trivial to fully decompile java binary (bytecode) directly to source code.
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      Google offers protection via obfuscation. I've seen the results of its decompilation and it's practically useless.

by kop316 6y ago

> the rampant piracy that Android's open model makes trivially easy Respectfully, I would like a citation on this. How is piracy for Android any easier than say, Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux?

nsomaru 6y ago

Why leave out the only actual platform that android competes with, iOS?

dragonwriter 6y ago
I don't think Android really significantly competes with iOS or vice versa. Android and iOS are almost entirely independent markets. The competition for Android devices is other Android devices. The competition for iOS devices...isn't.
- JKCalhoun 6y ago
  That's an interesting take. I think you're right. I don't think that was the case 8 or so years ago, but I agree it appears that way now. (Anecdotal: gave my dad two hand-me-down iPhones. Because of the cost he was never going to buy one (on a fixed retirement income after all). Him and his wife having used iPhones now seem to have crossed over. I suppose I'll have to keep sending him over my old phones from now on.)
kop316 6y ago
Becuase I want to know if the reason they say piracy is easy is because users can install their own apps (which to me is a red herring, as Windows and Linux, this has been true for decades and there are established ways to curtail piracy[1]), or if there is actually a reason that piracy is easy on Android. [1] https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem https://v1.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe...

pja 6y ago

I guess the point is that of the two main mobile platforms, it’s much easier to pirate Android Apps than iPhone Apps. Desktops are a whole different kettle of fish, which is why profitable companies have (mostly) given up on selling software & are making money via SaaS approaches on desktop.

necovek 6y ago
That's most likely not [1] why software companies like AutoDesk, Adobe or Microsoft (with Office365) are moving towards a SaaS model: regular monthly payments add up to more than one-time licenses, and provide a more predictable revenue stream. Market was willing to accept that, so there was no reason for them not to do it. [1] Citations missing for my claims too! :)

shimfish 6y ago

From 2015. No reason to believe things would have got better since then. https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/05/monument-valley-developer-only-5-of-android-installs-were-paid-for/ https://venturebeat.com/2015/01/05/monument-valley-developer...

kop316 6y ago
> How is piracy for Android any easier than say, Windows, Mac OS X, or Linux? I'm not arguing if it is easier, I am asking how is it easier? That article does not answer how.
- why_Mr_Anderson 6y ago
  Aren't APK files simply java .jar packaged together? It's trivial to fully decompile java binary (bytecode) directly to source code.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    Google offers protection via obfuscation. I've seen the results of its decompilation and it's practically useless.