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Interesting how the article doesn't mention any game of whac-a-mole to root out leftist extremism.

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stormqloud 6y ago
Leftist extremism doesn't exist. Look how many years they spent telling us Islam is a religion of peace and calling every islamic attach on society a lone wolf attack. Cognitive dissonance. Populations doesn't know what to think anymore if they think at all.
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emodendroket 6y ago
Because there's no serious left-wing insurgency anybody is worried about. There are people who like posting guillotine images on Twitter but little real-world impact.
- seneca 6y ago
  There were left wing rioters burning down buildings all summer and pushing for extreme policies to be instituted in our government. I'm quite worried about that, and the fact that many power centers fell in line to pretend it wasn't happening.
  - knowaveragejoe 6y ago
    Of course, these efforts have effectively gone nowhere. I'm more worried about the multitudes of heavily-armed radicals who believe in the election Big Lie or QAnon.
  - emodendroket 6y ago
    And what impact have they had beyond a bunch of anodyne "we support black lives" statements? It's not even clear to me that the rioters were particularly well organized or politically engaged so I'm not sure that social media targeting would make much difference (with I guess the possible exception of censoring any police violence videos).
    - yostrovs 6y ago
      Thousands of houses and businesses burned down, families moving out of cities, huge records set for guns sold and for first time gun buyers, and you pretend nothing happened last year.
      - emodendroket 6y ago
        It's neither the first time we had race riots nor, most likely, the last. What action do you think is needed?
        seneca 6y ago
        These riots were lead by avowed Marxists. They received millions in donations from the largest companies in the world. These same companies lined up to shut down any criticism of these riots. At the same time, countervailing forced are censored and demonized (maybe rightfully, but wildly unequally) and swiftly wiped off the internet by coordinated efforts. I respect the fact that people can think these are good things, but pretending it's business as usual is just laughable.
        emodendroket 6y ago
        Is that so? Why would the world's largest companies support the abolition of private property?
        seneca 6y ago
        I'm not a member of those companies' boards, so I could not say. I suspect because they're politically aligned with the "soundbite" message presented by the leadership of the riots, and that their marketing teams calculated it is beneficial for PR purposes. Useful Innocents.
        emodendroket 6y ago
        My suspicion is that the protests are far less coordinated or politically aligned than you suggest. For every "committed Marxist" involved I think you have a lot of plain old liberals and people with no real coherent political ideology at all.
- waterheater 6y ago
  The Antifa flag bears obvious similarity to the Antifaschistische Aktion flag. "Antifaschistische Aktion...was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933." [1] "In the United States, antifa of the early 21st-century has drawn its aesthetics and some of its tactics from Antifaschistische Aktion." [1] The link between Antifaschistische Aktion and Antifa was drawn within a detailed article [2] published in Jacobin, who is "a leading voice of the American left, offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture" [3]. Given that "insurgent" is defined as "a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government" [4], and CHAZ/CHOP were revolts against civil authority, Antifa is clearly a left-wing insurgency. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion [2] https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hitler-nazis-kpd-spd-germany-cold-war https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hit... [3] https://jacobinmag.com/about https://jacobinmag.com/about [4] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurgent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurgent

Interesting how the article doesn't mention any game of whac-a-mole to root out leftist extremism.

by it 6y ago

Interesting how the article doesn't mention any game of whac-a-mole to root out leftist extremism.

Leftist extremism doesn't exist. Look how many years they spent telling us Islam is a religion of peace and calling every islamic attach on society a lone wolf attack. Cognitive dissonance. Populations doesn't know what to think anymore if they think at all.

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emodendroket 6y ago

Because there's no serious left-wing insurgency anybody is worried about. There are people who like posting guillotine images on Twitter but little real-world impact.

seneca 6y ago
There were left wing rioters burning down buildings all summer and pushing for extreme policies to be instituted in our government. I'm quite worried about that, and the fact that many power centers fell in line to pretend it wasn't happening.
- knowaveragejoe 6y ago
  Of course, these efforts have effectively gone nowhere. I'm more worried about the multitudes of heavily-armed radicals who believe in the election Big Lie or QAnon.
- emodendroket 6y ago
  And what impact have they had beyond a bunch of anodyne "we support black lives" statements? It's not even clear to me that the rioters were particularly well organized or politically engaged so I'm not sure that social media targeting would make much difference (with I guess the possible exception of censoring any police violence videos).
  - yostrovs 6y ago
    Thousands of houses and businesses burned down, families moving out of cities, huge records set for guns sold and for first time gun buyers, and you pretend nothing happened last year.
    - emodendroket 6y ago
      It's neither the first time we had race riots nor, most likely, the last. What action do you think is needed?
      - seneca 6y ago
        These riots were lead by avowed Marxists. They received millions in donations from the largest companies in the world. These same companies lined up to shut down any criticism of these riots. At the same time, countervailing forced are censored and demonized (maybe rightfully, but wildly unequally) and swiftly wiped off the internet by coordinated efforts. I respect the fact that people can think these are good things, but pretending it's business as usual is just laughable.
        emodendroket 6y ago
        Is that so? Why would the world's largest companies support the abolition of private property?
        seneca 6y ago
        I'm not a member of those companies' boards, so I could not say. I suspect because they're politically aligned with the "soundbite" message presented by the leadership of the riots, and that their marketing teams calculated it is beneficial for PR purposes. Useful Innocents.
        emodendroket 6y ago
        My suspicion is that the protests are far less coordinated or politically aligned than you suggest. For every "committed Marxist" involved I think you have a lot of plain old liberals and people with no real coherent political ideology at all.
waterheater 6y ago
The Antifa flag bears obvious similarity to the Antifaschistische Aktion flag. "Antifaschistische Aktion...was a militant anti-fascist organisation in the Weimar Republic started by members of the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) that existed from 1932 to 1933." [1] "In the United States, antifa of the early 21st-century has drawn its aesthetics and some of its tactics from Antifaschistische Aktion." [1] The link between Antifaschistische Aktion and Antifa was drawn within a detailed article [2] published in Jacobin, who is "a leading voice of the American left, offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture" [3]. Given that "insurgent" is defined as "a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government" [4], and CHAZ/CHOP were revolts against civil authority, Antifa is clearly a left-wing insurgency. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion [2] https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hitler-nazis-kpd-spd-germany-cold-war https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/antifascist-movements-hit... [3] https://jacobinmag.com/about https://jacobinmag.com/about [4] https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurgent https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/insurgent