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>Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too man
by eli_gottlieb 6y ago
>Saying that the left spends too much effort on rhetoric might be valid criticism, but focusing on it as reasons to "walk away from the left" (which not too many black Americans are doing, BTW) is disingenuous.
That depends whether you distinguish between the Left and the Democratic Party. Most minority voters remain firm Democrats, although fewer than in 2016. Many/most minorities I've met, including myself, are completely disenchanted with "the Left" as an activist bloc that tries to take over or derail the Party. That bloc is simply two or three times as strict about "culture war" issues - which I agree with you are ultimately nigh-meaningless, but alas - as about the "kitchen table" issues where most people actually agree with them.
In short, you can be a racial or ethnic minority who wants universal healthcare, a new voting rights bill, and to strengthen workers' unions, but then you dissent from the "Left" agenda on one culture-war issue, one that theoretically applies to your group but which you were never consulted about, and bam, the Left hates you and wants you gone.
"Everyone get in line, we have to stop Trump" only worked while Trump was in office. It's hard to tell people we all need to get behind whichever street protest is marching downtown now, with Biden in office willingly signing surprisingly progressive bills like the stimulus.
- pron 6y ago> I agree with you are ultimately nigh-meaningless I didn't say they're meaningless. Sadly, I'm one of those noisy, crazy woke, anti-free-speech neo-Marxists, but that doesn't mean I don't care more about minimum wage and healthcare. The culture war is very important to me, but other things are even more important/urgent. > and bam, the Left hates you and wants you gone. Nope. When such large groups are concerned, of course you'll find people who'd want to ostracize you one way or the other, so the choice of what the "Left" is to you is ultimately on you. If that's what you focus on, an aspect of the left that you don't like but which has been a part of it for a hundred years, then you're just looking for excuses.
- eli_gottlieb 6y ago>Nope. When such large groups are concerned, of course you'll find people who'd want to ostracize you one way or the other, so the choice of what the "Left" is to you is ultimately on you. If that's what you focus on, an aspect of the left that you don't like but which has been a part of it for a hundred years, then you're just looking for excuses. Funny thing: you're dismissing my case here without even bothering to find out what the object-level example was going to be! You skipped the part where I explicitly specified that I'm talking about a culture-war issue that applies specifically and in depth to my minority group, too, not some opportunity to pontificate on other people's problems.
- andrew_ 6y agoI believe how the parent post self-described will lend an explanation as to why.
- pron 6y agoI don't think I was dismissing your case, and I'm guessing we're in the same minority group.
- eli_gottlieb 6y agoThen maybe you understand why "shut up and get in line so we can purge another bunch of you like we did with the Doctor's Plot and the Polish cadre in 1968" is an unpersuasive case. Address my issues and listen to my demands, or you don't get my support. Simple as that. I have other options.
- throwaway53453 6y agoWhy would you admit you're anti free speech?