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the likes of NationalFront/BNP/UKIP By putting BNP and UKIP in the same list you have just proved my point. Is Rustie Lee "ultra extreme far right" in your op

the likes of NationalFront/BNP/UKIP By putting BNP and UKIP in the same list you have just proved my point. Is Rustie Lee "ultra extreme far right" in your opinion? https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/who-is-rustie-lee-meet-the-cast-of-the-real-marigold-hotel-series-two/ https://www.radiotimes.com/tv/documentaries/who-is-rustie-le...

Jenk 6y ago
The distance between UKIP and Far Right is not a wide gap: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-membe...
chriswarbo 6y ago
> Is Rustie Lee "ultra extreme far right" in your opinion? No. In my opinion, Rustie Lee is not "ultra extreme far right". I don't see why you're asking though, since I didn't call UKIP "ultra extreme far right" either; or any one or thing, for that matter. So I don't know what point you're trying to make; that racists will always fall back on the "I have a black friend" defence? In any case, I deliberately avoided referring to specific individuals, since that often devolves into he-said/she-said accusations, and metaphysical circle-jerking about the 'true intent' of this or that. Tangentially, it's useful to the far right when discussions around them or their tactics devolve into such petty bickering, since it's a useful distraction towards easily denounced anecdata (hence putting their audience more at ease with the bigotry, and hence nudging the overton window a little more). After all, it's no coincidence that white supremacists deny the existence of systemic racism (unless it's against "whites", of course). Whilst bringing up a person (or, to reduce circle-jerking, the outcomes of their actions), is fair game in a discussion about people's actions; I would recommend against pivoting an existing discussion towards some person or other, as you've done, since that can help to entrench far right memes (e.g. that racism is only about individuals, etc.). With that in mind, I would point out that I am not the first to put UKIP in the same list as the BNP; UKIPs founder did the same (he cited the party's increasing racism and ties to the BNP as the reasons he left in the late 1990s).

Jenk 6y ago

The distance between UKIP and Far Right is not a wide gap: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-members-shifting-party-far-right https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/03/new-ukip-membe...

chriswarbo 6y ago

> Is Rustie Lee "ultra extreme far right" in your opinion? No. In my opinion, Rustie Lee is not "ultra extreme far right". I don't see why you're asking though, since I didn't call UKIP "ultra extreme far right" either; or any one or thing, for that matter. So I don't know what point you're trying to make; that racists will always fall back on the "I have a black friend" defence? In any case, I deliberately avoided referring to specific individuals, since that often devolves into he-said/she-said accusations, and metaphysical circle-jerking about the 'true intent' of this or that. Tangentially, it's useful to the far right when discussions around them or their tactics devolve into such petty bickering, since it's a useful distraction towards easily denounced anecdata (hence putting their audience more at ease with the bigotry, and hence nudging the overton window a little more). After all, it's no coincidence that white supremacists deny the existence of systemic racism (unless it's against "whites", of course). Whilst bringing up a person (or, to reduce circle-jerking, the outcomes of their actions), is fair game in a discussion about people's actions; I would recommend against pivoting an existing discussion towards some person or other, as you've done, since that can help to entrench far right memes (e.g. that racism is only about individuals, etc.). With that in mind, I would point out that I am not the first to put UKIP in the same list as the BNP; UKIPs founder did the same (he cited the party's increasing racism and ties to the BNP as the reasons he left in the late 1990s).