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I learned to code at 29, and I'm sorry to say that, compared to to the author, I don't have such a rosy outlook... For context, I was a Product Manager, and fe
by arcturus17 6y ago
I learned to code at 29, and I'm sorry to say that, compared to to the author, I don't have such a rosy outlook...
For context, I was a Product Manager, and fell in love with CS/SEng by taking Harvard's CS50 in my free time. I then did other MOOCs on topics like algorithms and software architecture before finally settling on a 12-course masters in Software Engineering at Harvard Extension.
I took a hybrid approach compared to the author, combining a hacker-builder mentality with academic study, since I enjoy both.
5 years later, I'm building custom apps for enterprise and startups, making about the same as an early-senior software engineer in my country, so I'd say I'm doing quite good. Though it's important to note that I get paid for my sales, project management and design skills on top of programming. There is no way I would make as much as a staff engineer here.
However, I really do not share the sentiment that it doesn't take that long, or that anyone can (or should) do it.
I've spent thousands of hours studying and building, and I still find that pushing code to production and maintaining mid-sized codebases is ridiculously hard. This whole discipline still kicks my ass in myriad different ways, whether it's programming in the small or big. And no, being challenged regularly is not always fun - it can be extremely psychologically taxing too. There is also the commonly understated fact that, as with any complex discipline, learning sees diminishing returns: getting from 0 to 100 may take 400 hours, but getting from 100 to 200 may well take 4000. So you better be prepared for this grind.
Learning to code, and building a prototype glued together with no-code and a simple FaaS backend is completely different to scaling out a production-ready system. And I don't think that's an entire process that one can learn ad hoc or on the job as makeshift CTO. If a prototype you build is really successful, you will likely be completely overwhelmed by the technical challenges and will not be remotely able to lead engineering; rather, you will need to delegate entirely to experts. If the product has a very slow start that allows you to learn as you go, then how are you going to pay the bills?
Framing it in a slightly different way, how many people do you know that grew into a CTO / engineering lead role all by themselves having spent just a few hundred hours of casual coding? Mark Zuckerberg or David Heinemeier Hansson don't count - they likely spent their 10,000 hours coding before they saw any success. They were hardcore. I've spent many hours browsing HN and related sites over the years, and while I've occasionally encountered the "I built a prototype, dumped it onto some competent engineers, and then switched to CEO" archetype (I've met three people like this IRL, actually), I don't think I've ever encountered any substantial examples of "self-made CTO in under a year".
I don't mean to be a gatekeeper or belittle the author or his experience. I am well aware that there are some people that are orders of magnitude smarter than me, and with a nearly-permanent happier predisposition. I also think there is a lot to be said about doing what you enjoy, and as far as "following your passions" goes, programming may be one of the safest bets out there, since software has eaten the world and there are many opportunities in the wild. I just want to offer a counter-argument in that there is a good chance that you will find part of this process grueling. Be prepared!
- iainctduncan 6y agoOne isn't going to get to CTO in only hundreds of hours, but one can get to "getting paid" in that amount of time, and then, if you're smart and keep prioritize learning, get to CTO while getting paid. I started web dev at 30 (though had coded in high school), and was a startup CTO at 44, now an architecture consultant, and the best advice I had in the beginning from a good mentor was to structure everything relentlessly so that I was spending 20-25% of my time learning, even if it meant less money per paycheque. I can't stress enough how important and effective this is. If you're willing to make 75% less at the beginning to keep working that lever, in 10 years you will be a hot property and commanding very good compensation.
- arcturus17 6y agoI agree with pretty much everything you've said (your comment on the tension between billing and learning being particularly poignant), but you're talking about a 14 year path versus the gist of the article, which talks about shipping commercial products with 400 hours of self-learning - an unrealistic expectation for most people. You're probably better off planning for the decade-long path (starting humble, and improving incrementally) than thinking that anything remarkable is going to happen in your first couple of years.
- potta_coffee 6y agoThanks for this advice. I'm 37, started at 30 and I'm at the midway point. I'd like to get where you are.