4 ms·

Wikipedia quality has actually gone down since the donation campaigns started. A website like pypi gets much more server load and they have never asked for a p

Wikipedia quality has actually gone down since the donation campaigns started. A website like pypi gets much more server load and they have never asked for a penny.

denkquer 6y ago
there is no way on earth pypi traffic is higher than wikipedias.
- refraincomment 6y ago
  https://dtdg.co/pypi https://dtdg.co/pypi pypi servers receive 1 million requests per minute. That's likely more than wikipedia.
  - Qub3d 6y ago
    Back-of-the-envelope math says Wikipedia serves at least twice as much traffic. According to Wikipedia's public statistics[0], they receive ~3 Billion media requests per day, which is about 2 million requests per minute. https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects/content/total-mediarequests/normal|bar|2-year|~total|daily https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects/content/total-med...
  - joosters 6y ago
    https://pageviews.toolforge.org/siteviews/?platform=all-access&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org https://pageviews.toolforge.org/siteviews/?platform=all-acce... en.wikipedia.org has around 260 million page views per day. Each page view consists of multiple HTTP requests (picking a few random pages shows twenty or more per page) - so I'm pretty sure that wikipedia has higher traffic figures.
  - londons_explore 6y ago
    Both wikipedia and pypi requests are >99% readonly and cacheable, and neither have strict global consistency guarantees. That makes them very cheap and technically easy to run through a free global CDN like cloudflare.
    - svenhof 6y ago
      You make it sound like Cloudflare would be OK serving all Wikipedia or pypi traffic for free. Reality would be a little different.
      - matsur 6y ago
        https://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies/wikimedia-foundation https://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies/wikimedia-foundation :)
      - di 6y ago
        Fastly currently serves all of PyPI's CDN traffic for free. Cloudflare probably would as well.
  - theelous3 6y ago
    It seems wikipedia english gets 255m per day. This doesn't include all of their image hosting and other side services though. I think those are in the many hundreda of millions if not billions. Id say they are at least comparable. It's kinda moot though. I wouldn't begrudge pypi asking for money either.

Wikipedia quality has actually gone down since the donation campaigns started. A website like pypi gets much more server load and they have never asked for a penny.

denkquer 6y ago

there is no way on earth pypi traffic is higher than wikipedias.

refraincomment 6y ago
https://dtdg.co/pypi https://dtdg.co/pypi pypi servers receive 1 million requests per minute. That's likely more than wikipedia.
- Qub3d 6y ago
  Back-of-the-envelope math says Wikipedia serves at least twice as much traffic. According to Wikipedia's public statistics[0], they receive ~3 Billion media requests per day, which is about 2 million requests per minute. https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects/content/total-mediarequests/normal|bar|2-year|~total|daily https://stats.wikimedia.org/#/all-projects/content/total-med...
- joosters 6y ago
  https://pageviews.toolforge.org/siteviews/?platform=all-access&source=pageviews&agent=user&range=latest-20&sites=en.wikipedia.org https://pageviews.toolforge.org/siteviews/?platform=all-acce... en.wikipedia.org has around 260 million page views per day. Each page view consists of multiple HTTP requests (picking a few random pages shows twenty or more per page) - so I'm pretty sure that wikipedia has higher traffic figures.
- londons_explore 6y ago
  Both wikipedia and pypi requests are >99% readonly and cacheable, and neither have strict global consistency guarantees. That makes them very cheap and technically easy to run through a free global CDN like cloudflare.
  - svenhof 6y ago
    You make it sound like Cloudflare would be OK serving all Wikipedia or pypi traffic for free. Reality would be a little different.
    - matsur 6y ago
      https://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies/wikimedia-foundation https://www.cloudflare.com/case-studies/wikimedia-foundation :)
    - di 6y ago
      Fastly currently serves all of PyPI's CDN traffic for free. Cloudflare probably would as well.
- theelous3 6y ago
  It seems wikipedia english gets 255m per day. This doesn't include all of their image hosting and other side services though. I think those are in the many hundreda of millions if not billions. Id say they are at least comparable. It's kinda moot though. I wouldn't begrudge pypi asking for money either.