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Wasn't it GitLab actually ? Otherwise, about the article, it's unfair to say that we need to correct the AI/ML to a more "neutral" perspective. I'm always wor

by rvnx 6y ago

Wasn't it GitLab actually ? Otherwise, about the article, it's unfair to say that we need to correct the AI/ML to a more "neutral" perspective. I'm always worried about artificial "neutrality", as neutrality often ends up just adding more weight to the perspective that you consider more socially and politically acceptable. In Australia for example, French people have a bad reputation because they tend to steal from shops ("french shopping": https://www.traveller.com.au/french-nickers-cause-a-stink-down-under-2k512 https://www.traveller.com.au/french-nickers-cause-a-stink-do... ). If tomorrow you build software for the shops to identify risks; well, whether you like it or not, it'll target French. Should we artificially add more examples of non-stealing French in the dataset just because it's socially more acceptable ? (I took French because it's socially and legally ok to blame French for mistakes of this planet, and I was born there, but replace with whatever suits you)

Insanity 6y ago
It's GitHub. If you create a new repository it will automatically suggest you change the name to `main` on the 'setup page'.
- INTPenis 6y ago
  Actually it's in git now. I just got this warning when doing git init . last night. Eh I realized the warning isn't in english but it basically says master will be changed to main and how I could set a global setting and how I could rename a newly created branch.
  - JimDabell 6y ago
    > it basically says master will be changed to main It doesn’t do this. Here is the message: hint: Using 'master' as the name for the initial branch. This default branch name hint: is subject to change. To configure the initial branch name to use in all hint: of your new repositories, which will suppress this warning, call: hint: hint: git config --global init.defaultBranch <name> hint: hint: Names commonly chosen instead of 'master' are 'main', 'trunk' and hint: 'development'. The just-created branch can be renamed via this command: hint: hint: git branch -m <name>
    - Freak_NL 6y ago
      You beat me to it posting that output. Still, the 'This default branch name is subject to change' feels a bit awkward.
  - deleted 6y ago
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skytreader 6y ago
The current problem surrounding using AI/ML in this area is that it can't distinguish between Jean Pierre and John Paul, Luc and Luke and authorities rely on it with no nuance or discernment. You worry about artificial neutrality creeping in to the algorithms, but the algorithms already reflect human bias. We can't even reliably tell where someone is from yet we expect our AI to do it close to flawlessly. I'm from East Asia and I think I can distinguish an East Asian's country of origin maybe 70% of the time. But 70% is nowhere near good enough if a person's life literally depends on the decision. And I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find someone even in around 90% accuracy. Migration and shared culture, among other things, make this difficult.
brmgb 6y ago
> Should we artificially add more examples of non-stealing French in the dataset just because it's socially more acceptable ? You are completely missing the point. This issue is simple. Take two groups A and B. Ceteris paribus if you control twice as much in group A than group B you will see twice as much positive events in group A. That's a sampling bias. Then you conclude group A is worth and should be controlled more leading to even more positive. It's all about sampling bias and feedback loops.
KaiserPro 6y ago
> Otherwise, about the article, it's unfair to say that we need to correct the AI/ML to a more "neutral" perspective. I work in ML. its not neutrality, its representation. if you use your own staff to train a face detector, a detector to detect small faces in CCTV, it'll only work on your staff. It won't pick up children, anybody who is slightly brown, anyone with big hair, or people who wear hats. thats rubbish if you expect your models to work in the wider world. don't think of is as political, think of it as trying to release a word processor to the world that only support ANSII, and wondering why its not selling overseas.

by rvnx 6y ago

Insanity 6y ago

It's GitHub. If you create a new repository it will automatically suggest you change the name to `main` on the 'setup page'.

INTPenis 6y ago
Actually it's in git now. I just got this warning when doing git init . last night. Eh I realized the warning isn't in english but it basically says master will be changed to main and how I could set a global setting and how I could rename a newly created branch.
- JimDabell 6y ago
  > it basically says master will be changed to main It doesn’t do this. Here is the message: hint: Using 'master' as the name for the initial branch. This default branch name hint: is subject to change. To configure the initial branch name to use in all hint: of your new repositories, which will suppress this warning, call: hint: hint: git config --global init.defaultBranch <name> hint: hint: Names commonly chosen instead of 'master' are 'main', 'trunk' and hint: 'development'. The just-created branch can be renamed via this command: hint: hint: git branch -m <name>
  - Freak_NL 6y ago
    You beat me to it posting that output. Still, the 'This default branch name is subject to change' feels a bit awkward.
- deleted 6y ago
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skytreader 6y ago

The current problem surrounding using AI/ML in this area is that it can't distinguish between Jean Pierre and John Paul, Luc and Luke and authorities rely on it with no nuance or discernment. You worry about artificial neutrality creeping in to the algorithms, but the algorithms already reflect human bias. We can't even reliably tell where someone is from yet we expect our AI to do it close to flawlessly. I'm from East Asia and I think I can distinguish an East Asian's country of origin maybe 70% of the time. But 70% is nowhere near good enough if a person's life literally depends on the decision. And I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find someone even in around 90% accuracy. Migration and shared culture, among other things, make this difficult.

brmgb 6y ago

> Should we artificially add more examples of non-stealing French in the dataset just because it's socially more acceptable ? You are completely missing the point. This issue is simple. Take two groups A and B. Ceteris paribus if you control twice as much in group A than group B you will see twice as much positive events in group A. That's a sampling bias. Then you conclude group A is worth and should be controlled more leading to even more positive. It's all about sampling bias and feedback loops.

KaiserPro 6y ago

> Otherwise, about the article, it's unfair to say that we need to correct the AI/ML to a more "neutral" perspective. I work in ML. its not neutrality, its representation. if you use your own staff to train a face detector, a detector to detect small faces in CCTV, it'll only work on your staff. It won't pick up children, anybody who is slightly brown, anyone with big hair, or people who wear hats. thats rubbish if you expect your models to work in the wider world. don't think of is as political, think of it as trying to release a word processor to the world that only support ANSII, and wondering why its not selling overseas.