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There's been plenty of suggestion that other EU countries' decision to suspend AZ is somehow a political decision, and not primarily motivated by health concern

There's been plenty of suggestion that other EU countries' decision to suspend AZ is somehow a political decision, and not primarily motivated by health concerns. > Its important to keep perspective. Yes, it is - on both sides. Just because, as someone here said, "I'm a lever puller" doesn't automatically mean that your opinion is better and more informed than that of health authorities across EU. (note that I'm not accusing you personally of being a "lever puller", I'm just venting about what I perceive to be HN propensity to take risks on other people and dismiss concerns).

bawolff 6y ago
What's a lever puller? > doesn't automatically mean that your opinion is better and more informed than that of health authorities across EU I agree that health authorities know better than I do, but i don't think i'm disagreeing with any health authorities. There are some health authorities saying its safe to keep on using it and there are some temporarily suspending while the situation is being investigated out of an abundance of caution. Unless i missed something, not a single one is saying that the vaccine is unsafe or confirmed to cause blood clots. > I'm just venting about what I perceive to be HN propensity to take risks on other people and dismiss concerns There is no risk free view here. Less vaccinated people means more people with covid, which among other things means more blood clots because covid can sometimes cause that (although obviously that's not the primary concern with covid). Obviously if we can confirm a link between the blood clots and the vaccine, we should stop the vaccine. But as it stands the evidence is extremely weak bordering on non existent, and stopping using that vaccine will cost lives.
- virgilp 6y ago
  > What's a lever puller? Sorry - trolley problem, pull the lever to kill one person and save 3 others, that kind of metaphor. > stopping using that vaccine will cost lives In the EU, there are alternatives (e.g. in my country I could actually register to Moderna and due to the shorter time between shots I'd actually be completely vaccinated faster with Moderna than with AZ). Look, I'm not saying AZ should be killed either. Just that in my mind, precaution is justified. Symptoms are bizarre, affected people are young with no other obvious reasons to be affected. Also read what this guy says: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26473368 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26473368 Again, I'm not saying "AZ=bad". I'm saying precaution is reasonable, and the view that precautions states are "obviously wrong" and should just plough through with vaccination using AZ is a bit simplistic and less informed than people would care to admit.

bawolff 6y ago

What's a lever puller? > doesn't automatically mean that your opinion is better and more informed than that of health authorities across EU I agree that health authorities know better than I do, but i don't think i'm disagreeing with any health authorities. There are some health authorities saying its safe to keep on using it and there are some temporarily suspending while the situation is being investigated out of an abundance of caution. Unless i missed something, not a single one is saying that the vaccine is unsafe or confirmed to cause blood clots. > I'm just venting about what I perceive to be HN propensity to take risks on other people and dismiss concerns There is no risk free view here. Less vaccinated people means more people with covid, which among other things means more blood clots because covid can sometimes cause that (although obviously that's not the primary concern with covid). Obviously if we can confirm a link between the blood clots and the vaccine, we should stop the vaccine. But as it stands the evidence is extremely weak bordering on non existent, and stopping using that vaccine will cost lives.

virgilp 6y ago
> What's a lever puller? Sorry - trolley problem, pull the lever to kill one person and save 3 others, that kind of metaphor. > stopping using that vaccine will cost lives In the EU, there are alternatives (e.g. in my country I could actually register to Moderna and due to the shorter time between shots I'd actually be completely vaccinated faster with Moderna than with AZ). Look, I'm not saying AZ should be killed either. Just that in my mind, precaution is justified. Symptoms are bizarre, affected people are young with no other obvious reasons to be affected. Also read what this guy says: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26473368 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26473368 Again, I'm not saying "AZ=bad". I'm saying precaution is reasonable, and the view that precautions states are "obviously wrong" and should just plough through with vaccination using AZ is a bit simplistic and less informed than people would care to admit.