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Damn, and this was the best hope due to price and once early lead. Let's hope J&J fills their void (Not all countries can afford $60 shots and have ultra cold f

Damn, and this was the best hope due to price and once early lead. Let's hope J&J fills their void (Not all countries can afford $60 shots and have ultra cold fridges)

bawolff 6y ago
Well this isn't ideal, its not like this means the vaccine is useless.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  "I'm vaccinated" when you really aren't is dangerous.
  - bawolff 6y ago
    No vaccine is 100%. They don't have to be to be useful. Study only talked about mild-moderate cases of one specific variant. Well i would like it to work across the board, working well against the other variants and preventing severe cases of the problematic variant, is still a win, even if a qualified one.
    - cblconfederate 6y ago
      they mean that a person who thinks they are vaccinated is more dangerous than one who doesnt, because they change their behavior
      - bawolff 6y ago
        Yes, but it doesn't follow that someone with this vaccine is more dangerous than someone without one. The result of this study is not that this vaccine is totally useless, just that its not ideal. There is big gap between what is reported here and having nothing. Its still likely to be beneficial.
    - onetimemanytime 6y ago
      100% and not effective are quite far apart. Their suspected efficiency is hospitalizations is probably due to the young population this was tested on. I suspect that the SA version will spread since nothing that stop it and the boosters will be delayed to those countries. Yet, "I'm vaccinated" many will say.
wp381640 6y ago
There's also Novavax which only needs to be refrigerated.
kolinko 6y ago
mRNA don’t need ultra cold fridges any more. Also, even if, you don’t need fridges, you need boxes with dry ice, that is relatively cheap. As for the price - you’re sure it’s $60 not $30? Regardless, you’re right that it’s an issue.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  Pfizer I think it's like $20 a shot (need 2), Moderna $30 or so, at least at this stage when they can't make them fast enough

Damn, and this was the best hope due to price and once early lead. Let's hope J&J fills their void (Not all countries can afford $60 shots and have ultra cold fridges)

bawolff 6y ago

Well this isn't ideal, its not like this means the vaccine is useless.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
"I'm vaccinated" when you really aren't is dangerous.
- bawolff 6y ago
  No vaccine is 100%. They don't have to be to be useful. Study only talked about mild-moderate cases of one specific variant. Well i would like it to work across the board, working well against the other variants and preventing severe cases of the problematic variant, is still a win, even if a qualified one.
  - cblconfederate 6y ago
    they mean that a person who thinks they are vaccinated is more dangerous than one who doesnt, because they change their behavior
    - bawolff 6y ago
      Yes, but it doesn't follow that someone with this vaccine is more dangerous than someone without one. The result of this study is not that this vaccine is totally useless, just that its not ideal. There is big gap between what is reported here and having nothing. Its still likely to be beneficial.
  - onetimemanytime 6y ago
    100% and not effective are quite far apart. Their suspected efficiency is hospitalizations is probably due to the young population this was tested on. I suspect that the SA version will spread since nothing that stop it and the boosters will be delayed to those countries. Yet, "I'm vaccinated" many will say.

wp381640 6y ago

There's also Novavax which only needs to be refrigerated.

kolinko 6y ago

mRNA don’t need ultra cold fridges any more. Also, even if, you don’t need fridges, you need boxes with dry ice, that is relatively cheap. As for the price - you’re sure it’s $60 not $30? Regardless, you’re right that it’s an issue.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
Pfizer I think it's like $20 a shot (need 2), Moderna $30 or so, at least at this stage when they can't make them fast enough