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Sending an incredibly loud robot smashing through someones window seems like the worst possible way to start a negotiation. Is a highly agitated suspect really

Sending an incredibly loud robot smashing through someones window seems like the worst possible way to start a negotiation. Is a highly agitated suspect really going to negotiate via this thing?

Alupis 6y ago
Who said they're starting with this bot?
- candiodari 6y ago
  Everybody who realizes what comes after a swat team member shouts "oh cool" after seeing this thing. Then in 5 years some bean counter that decides a robot with lethal weapons is cheaper to use for speeding tickets than an actual officer. This is the same police force that use bugs and wiretaps to figure out how to punish ex-girlfriends, and not even just on the ex-girlfriend at that: https://philly.metro.us/former-officer-gets-fine-for-spying-on-ex-judge-girlfriend/ https://philly.metro.us/former-officer-gets-fine-for-spying-... No worries, the police officer had good reason to bug her: she had "stolen" heroin from his car trunk ... And no worries, we have judicial oversight! Who does the judicial oversight? Well these guys: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/nyregion/brooklyn-prosecutor-accused-of-using-illegal-wiretap-to-spy-on-love-interest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/nyregion/brooklyn-prosecu... But surely the higher-ups in these organisations have our backs, right? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-lies-untangling-the-uk-spy-cops-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-... I find it baffling how people trust the police. They are not your friends, not even when a criminal is involved. It is far better to take basic (NOT guns) measures to protect yourself, and when you lose something to just accept it as a cost of doing business. You will be much happier. Frankly your self interest is always to comply with direct requests from the police where required (but still delay to absolute maximum, which for any written request is 2 weeks after a reminder), but refuse any and all cooperation beyond what the law requires. Always. Not (just) because they're very much not helping, but because any cooperation from you may cause the police to come after you.
  - Alupis 6y ago
    You realize your sources are from 3 geographically different areas - one of which isn't even in the US? Everything else you said has nothing to do with the article nor the drone in question. It's just conspiracy theories about cops, predicated off slanted facts from an extreme minority of police interactions. In other words... what?
    - candiodari 6y ago
      These are not conspiracy theories. That's what we call farfetched causes for unexaplained events, usually that some famous/large organisation is responsible fro them.. These are "facts". These crimes are far from unexplained and we are 100% sure these people are responsible, and used the powers of the government and/or police force to commit them. So "what": I believe cops (and others) will use these robots rather than being more reasonable. Mostly against criminals, sometimes against protestors, sometimes in an offensive actions against personal (ie. girlfriends/exes and or family) or political opponents. For that reason I'd rather not see them used.
bopbeepboop 6y ago
It’s not the right tool for every situation, but I think for some situations it’s a useful escalation: You’re tense, it’s been hours, you’re in a standoff with people who have snipers trained on you and you’re threatening to kill people — but that would be a major escalation, and those snipers might decide they no longer have a reason to hold back. You’re thinking about how to get out of the standoff when a robot crashes through the windows, whirls down the hallway, and starts talking to you through the door. The same negotiator, but now you can’t just hang up on him. He’s here with you, talking. The drone isn’t armed, but you’re being aggressively pushed to negotiate or carry out your threat, here and now. I think a lot of people, emotionally exhausted after hours of standoff, would just fold at that point rather than shoot someone and get the armed raid started. Again, it’s not a tool for every moment — but I think it’s a good step between just waiting for a phone call during a standoff or shouting at the windows, and sending in armed humans.

Sending an incredibly loud robot smashing through someones window seems like the worst possible way to start a negotiation. Is a highly agitated suspect really going to negotiate via this thing?

Alupis 6y ago

Who said they're starting with this bot?

candiodari 6y ago
Everybody who realizes what comes after a swat team member shouts "oh cool" after seeing this thing. Then in 5 years some bean counter that decides a robot with lethal weapons is cheaper to use for speeding tickets than an actual officer. This is the same police force that use bugs and wiretaps to figure out how to punish ex-girlfriends, and not even just on the ex-girlfriend at that: https://philly.metro.us/former-officer-gets-fine-for-spying-on-ex-judge-girlfriend/ https://philly.metro.us/former-officer-gets-fine-for-spying-... No worries, the police officer had good reason to bug her: she had "stolen" heroin from his car trunk ... And no worries, we have judicial oversight! Who does the judicial oversight? Well these guys: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/nyregion/brooklyn-prosecutor-accused-of-using-illegal-wiretap-to-spy-on-love-interest.html https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/nyregion/brooklyn-prosecu... But surely the higher-ups in these organisations have our backs, right? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-lies-untangling-the-uk-spy-cops-scandal https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/oct/28/secrets-and-... I find it baffling how people trust the police. They are not your friends, not even when a criminal is involved. It is far better to take basic (NOT guns) measures to protect yourself, and when you lose something to just accept it as a cost of doing business. You will be much happier. Frankly your self interest is always to comply with direct requests from the police where required (but still delay to absolute maximum, which for any written request is 2 weeks after a reminder), but refuse any and all cooperation beyond what the law requires. Always. Not (just) because they're very much not helping, but because any cooperation from you may cause the police to come after you.
- Alupis 6y ago
  You realize your sources are from 3 geographically different areas - one of which isn't even in the US? Everything else you said has nothing to do with the article nor the drone in question. It's just conspiracy theories about cops, predicated off slanted facts from an extreme minority of police interactions. In other words... what?
  - candiodari 6y ago
    These are not conspiracy theories. That's what we call farfetched causes for unexaplained events, usually that some famous/large organisation is responsible fro them.. These are "facts". These crimes are far from unexplained and we are 100% sure these people are responsible, and used the powers of the government and/or police force to commit them. So "what": I believe cops (and others) will use these robots rather than being more reasonable. Mostly against criminals, sometimes against protestors, sometimes in an offensive actions against personal (ie. girlfriends/exes and or family) or political opponents. For that reason I'd rather not see them used.

bopbeepboop 6y ago

It’s not the right tool for every situation, but I think for some situations it’s a useful escalation: You’re tense, it’s been hours, you’re in a standoff with people who have snipers trained on you and you’re threatening to kill people — but that would be a major escalation, and those snipers might decide they no longer have a reason to hold back. You’re thinking about how to get out of the standoff when a robot crashes through the windows, whirls down the hallway, and starts talking to you through the door. The same negotiator, but now you can’t just hang up on him. He’s here with you, talking. The drone isn’t armed, but you’re being aggressively pushed to negotiate or carry out your threat, here and now. I think a lot of people, emotionally exhausted after hours of standoff, would just fold at that point rather than shoot someone and get the armed raid started. Again, it’s not a tool for every moment — but I think it’s a good step between just waiting for a phone call during a standoff or shouting at the windows, and sending in armed humans.