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Really curious. Can you give more details? Vamachara stuff is forbidden and can lead to extremely dangerous reverse effects.

asymptosis 6y ago
It might be forbidden within the context of certain religious paths/orders, but it's not forbidden for random people on the internet to experiment with whatever exercises they come across. I think the site where I got it doesn't exist any more. I think I have a copy in my own archives somewhere. The basic gist of the practices was a combination of various asanas, mantras, pranayama and visualisation.
- asymptosis 6y ago
  This was it: https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamakala.com/vama-2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamaka...
  - IAmGraydon 6y ago
    You sure it wasn’t the text color/background combination that caused your psychotic break?
    - asymptosis 6y ago
      hahaha :D
      - blobbers 6y ago
        I clicked this way back link, and it reminded me of what the internet used to be. It was so much cooler.
- thevardanian 6y ago
  It's not about it being religious, but about it being dangerous, or in some ways a hinderance/harmful to the self. Kind of like how self harm is forbidden. Vamamarga is psychological self harm, in a sense. Aghoris then take that same principle to the next level. The problem is people fetishize, or in other ways make arguments and ideas about Indian origin things within the context of religion. That has in my opinion done far more harm in understanding the philosophical approaches of Dharma than any other misconception, including translation errors.
  - asymptosis 6y ago
    Perhaps you're right, but I wasn't operating within a Buddhist or Hindu paradigm at that time. I was exploring a wide variety of practices as part of a novitiate with the Pact of the Illuminates of Thanateros. Even if someone had told me that it was risky, I still would have had the attitude of, thanks, but I need to find this out for myself from experience rather than just take your word for it.
    - thevardanian 6y ago
      And that's fine. In fact that is itself a valid argument within the Buddhist/Hindu context. I would even argue it's basis of both "religions"; proof through self experience. So again, the point here is that it's important to be knowledgeable about whatever subject matter that you're taking part in, not least because of being respectful, but because that way whatever task is being undertaken can be done "correctly". Including, perhaps especially, if you have belief in occult ideas.
      - blobbers 6y ago
        As someone ignorant, and I mean no disrespect by saying this... this thread reads like an H.P. Lovecraft or Dan Brown novel. Please keep this thread alive, it's fascinating!
        thevardanian 6y ago
mangamadaiyan 6y ago
Who forbids it?
- hnick 6y ago
  Interesting piece on it here. I wasn't aware of these terms. Basically, by definition it is about breaching Hindu societal taboos, unless I am vastly misunderstanding this brief summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_...
  - asymptosis 6y ago
    This is the syllabus I was working through: https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamakala.com/vama-2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamaka... It isn't obvious that asanas, breathing exercises, mantras and visualisation are somehow breaching any taboos of any society that I know of ;)
    - mulberrybush 6y ago
      This is derived from kriya yoga, not Vāmācāra. Another similar online tutorial is https://www.aypsite.org/10.html https://www.aypsite.org/10.html. Real Vāmācāra by definition involves breaking all taboos - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiKDMsIHn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiKDMsIHn8 (warning - it is pretty horrific)
      - Nemrod67 6y ago
        Watching the doc, all I see is LARP. Why do we consider those seriously while making fun of LaVey's rituals?
        mulberrybush 6y ago
        Shouldnt consider any of it seriously - it is all LARP all the way down...

asymptosis 6y ago

It might be forbidden within the context of certain religious paths/orders, but it's not forbidden for random people on the internet to experiment with whatever exercises they come across. I think the site where I got it doesn't exist any more. I think I have a copy in my own archives somewhere. The basic gist of the practices was a combination of various asanas, mantras, pranayama and visualisation.

asymptosis 6y ago
This was it: https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamakala.com/vama-2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamaka...
- IAmGraydon 6y ago
  You sure it wasn’t the text color/background combination that caused your psychotic break?
  - asymptosis 6y ago
    hahaha :D
    - blobbers 6y ago
      I clicked this way back link, and it reminded me of what the internet used to be. It was so much cooler.
thevardanian 6y ago
It's not about it being religious, but about it being dangerous, or in some ways a hinderance/harmful to the self. Kind of like how self harm is forbidden. Vamamarga is psychological self harm, in a sense. Aghoris then take that same principle to the next level. The problem is people fetishize, or in other ways make arguments and ideas about Indian origin things within the context of religion. That has in my opinion done far more harm in understanding the philosophical approaches of Dharma than any other misconception, including translation errors.
- asymptosis 6y ago
  Perhaps you're right, but I wasn't operating within a Buddhist or Hindu paradigm at that time. I was exploring a wide variety of practices as part of a novitiate with the Pact of the Illuminates of Thanateros. Even if someone had told me that it was risky, I still would have had the attitude of, thanks, but I need to find this out for myself from experience rather than just take your word for it.
  - thevardanian 6y ago
    And that's fine. In fact that is itself a valid argument within the Buddhist/Hindu context. I would even argue it's basis of both "religions"; proof through self experience. So again, the point here is that it's important to be knowledgeable about whatever subject matter that you're taking part in, not least because of being respectful, but because that way whatever task is being undertaken can be done "correctly". Including, perhaps especially, if you have belief in occult ideas.
    - blobbers 6y ago
      As someone ignorant, and I mean no disrespect by saying this... this thread reads like an H.P. Lovecraft or Dan Brown novel. Please keep this thread alive, it's fascinating!
      - thevardanian 6y ago

mangamadaiyan 6y ago

Who forbids it?

hnick 6y ago
Interesting piece on it here. I wasn't aware of these terms. Basically, by definition it is about breaching Hindu societal taboos, unless I am vastly misunderstanding this brief summary. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_path https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-hand_path_and_right-hand_...
- asymptosis 6y ago
  This is the syllabus I was working through: https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamakala.com/vama-2.htm https://web.archive.org/web/20040612155253/http://www.kamaka... It isn't obvious that asanas, breathing exercises, mantras and visualisation are somehow breaching any taboos of any society that I know of ;)
  - mulberrybush 6y ago
    This is derived from kriya yoga, not Vāmācāra. Another similar online tutorial is https://www.aypsite.org/10.html https://www.aypsite.org/10.html. Real Vāmācāra by definition involves breaking all taboos - see this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiKDMsIHn8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hiKDMsIHn8 (warning - it is pretty horrific)
    - Nemrod67 6y ago
      Watching the doc, all I see is LARP. Why do we consider those seriously while making fun of LaVey's rituals?
      - mulberrybush 6y ago
        Shouldnt consider any of it seriously - it is all LARP all the way down...