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I believe opera had tabs for a while before Firefox. It was one of the main reasons I think I used opera for a good long while.

sangnoir 6y ago
You are correct - Opera had tabs way before Firefox, and Opera had a full mail client as well without feeling bloated or slow.
- core-questions 6y ago
  I strongly believe that if Opera had had a cool name, it would have been a real contender. People don't like operas, they're boring and stodgy.
  - tinus_hn 6y ago
    Opera was a paid option. It was doomed from the start.
    - cpach 6y ago
      IIRC the rendering engine wasn’t that great either at that time.
      - rasz 6y ago
        Opera Presto was the fastest browser (and js engine) in the world at its prime.
        NetOpWibby 6y ago
        Opera was the best
        danielscrubs 6y ago
        Still remember the mouse gestures to zip around the pages. What a fun time.
        bmn__ 6y ago
        You don't need to feel deprived. https://github.com/marklieberman/foxygestures https://github.com/marklieberman/foxygestures https://otter-browser.org/ https://otter-browser.org/ (Tools → Preferences… → Advanced → Mouse → [X] Enable mouse gestures)
        cpach 6y ago
        I was thinking more what the result looked like.
        rasz 6y ago
        Website often broke in Opera due to being written for "IE" standard.
    - Wildgoose 6y ago
      I paid for Opera (twice) because it was clearly the superior product. People spend money on a better machine, so why not on a clearly better browser? (At that time). And although browsers are no longer distinctly better than each other, I still donate to Mozilla.
      - tinus_hn 6y ago
        Because you can’t buy a free machine. But you can download a free browser.
  - utucuro 6y ago
    Not really, I was an Opera user when Firefox 0.8 came out... Switched pretty much permanently, Opera also had mouse gestures which I was actively using and still use with a Firefox extension...
- hadrien01 6y ago
  The free version of Opera also had ads at the time: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Opera_6.0.png/220px-Opera_6.0.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Opera_6...
slightwinder 6y ago
Opera had no real tabs at that time. It was still MDI with a button-bar for fast access. Was'nt the browser doing this at the time, and it was'nt as good as Mozillas Tab-addon, which later was built into first firefox-versions. Opera added true tabs some versions later, while still hanging someway on the MDI-tradition.

sangnoir 6y ago

You are correct - Opera had tabs way before Firefox, and Opera had a full mail client as well without feeling bloated or slow.

core-questions 6y ago
I strongly believe that if Opera had had a cool name, it would have been a real contender. People don't like operas, they're boring and stodgy.
- tinus_hn 6y ago
  Opera was a paid option. It was doomed from the start.
  - cpach 6y ago
    IIRC the rendering engine wasn’t that great either at that time.
    - rasz 6y ago
      Opera Presto was the fastest browser (and js engine) in the world at its prime.
      - NetOpWibby 6y ago
        Opera was the best
        danielscrubs 6y ago
        Still remember the mouse gestures to zip around the pages. What a fun time.
        bmn__ 6y ago
        You don't need to feel deprived. https://github.com/marklieberman/foxygestures https://github.com/marklieberman/foxygestures https://otter-browser.org/ https://otter-browser.org/ (Tools → Preferences… → Advanced → Mouse → [X] Enable mouse gestures)
      - cpach 6y ago
        I was thinking more what the result looked like.
        rasz 6y ago
        Website often broke in Opera due to being written for "IE" standard.
  - Wildgoose 6y ago
    I paid for Opera (twice) because it was clearly the superior product. People spend money on a better machine, so why not on a clearly better browser? (At that time). And although browsers are no longer distinctly better than each other, I still donate to Mozilla.
    - tinus_hn 6y ago
      Because you can’t buy a free machine. But you can download a free browser.
- utucuro 6y ago
  Not really, I was an Opera user when Firefox 0.8 came out... Switched pretty much permanently, Opera also had mouse gestures which I was actively using and still use with a Firefox extension...
hadrien01 6y ago
The free version of Opera also had ads at the time: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Opera_6.0.png/220px-Opera_6.0.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c6/Opera_6...

slightwinder 6y ago

Opera had no real tabs at that time. It was still MDI with a button-bar for fast access. Was'nt the browser doing this at the time, and it was'nt as good as Mozillas Tab-addon, which later was built into first firefox-versions. Opera added true tabs some versions later, while still hanging someway on the MDI-tradition.