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Even if they knew that it will be broken quickly (which I also assume they did), it wasn't still necessarily lip service; even slight deterrence against miners

by zokier 6y ago

Even if they knew that it will be broken quickly (which I also assume they did), it wasn't still necessarily lip service; even slight deterrence against miners during launch probably helped to get more cards in the hands of gamers, which was the intention. Of course it is impossible to know how big of an impact it really had, but I'd like to think it had at least some for the so important launch day orders.

capableweb 6y ago
> which was the intention Neither me, _Understated_ or you know exactly why nvidia did what they did. What we do know, is that ultimately they answer to their shareholders and they have to show profit. Their motivations for why they do the things they do, can usually be boiled down to: "because it makes us more money". Nvidia probably doesn't care where the graphic cards go, miners or gamers, as they still make the same amount of money.
- __s 6y ago
  You can want brand loyalty. If Nvidia cards are soaked up in mining & game devs start optimizing more heavily for AMD gpus, suddenly Nvidia loses market capture of gaming gpus & end up at the whim of crypto. Miners are also much less brand loyal, someone comes out with a better hashrate/$ card & you've lost your customers So there's arguments for miners not being a diverse customer base that would encourage wanting to keep gamers in line. But I'm saying this without knowing any details, so I don't know
  - zokier 6y ago
    There is also the thing that nvidia wants to get people on board the RTX train as quickly as possible, that is fairly long term strategic initiative. And miners absolutely do not help there.
- albertgoeswoof 6y ago
  Gamers will be around in 10 years, miners might not be
  - capableweb 6y ago
    Funnily enough, that's what everyone said about gamers 20 years ago.
    - navaati 6y ago
      As compared to who ?
chris37879 6y ago
> helped to get more cards in the hands of gamers Well, you know, except for the cards that they binned specifically so they could be sold as 'mining' cards. There's no such thing, these are all 3060 GPUs, the mining cards have a slightly different firmware that wasn't even able to do the one thing it was supposed to do.
vmception 6y ago
please, I was here on Hackernews writing challenge accepted and prepared to buy as many of the non-mining cards on credit cards just waiting for the limitation to be removed

by zokier 6y ago

capableweb 6y ago

> which was the intention Neither me, _Understated_ or you know exactly why nvidia did what they did. What we do know, is that ultimately they answer to their shareholders and they have to show profit. Their motivations for why they do the things they do, can usually be boiled down to: "because it makes us more money". Nvidia probably doesn't care where the graphic cards go, miners or gamers, as they still make the same amount of money.

__s 6y ago
You can want brand loyalty. If Nvidia cards are soaked up in mining & game devs start optimizing more heavily for AMD gpus, suddenly Nvidia loses market capture of gaming gpus & end up at the whim of crypto. Miners are also much less brand loyal, someone comes out with a better hashrate/$ card & you've lost your customers So there's arguments for miners not being a diverse customer base that would encourage wanting to keep gamers in line. But I'm saying this without knowing any details, so I don't know
- zokier 6y ago
  There is also the thing that nvidia wants to get people on board the RTX train as quickly as possible, that is fairly long term strategic initiative. And miners absolutely do not help there.
albertgoeswoof 6y ago
Gamers will be around in 10 years, miners might not be
- capableweb 6y ago
  Funnily enough, that's what everyone said about gamers 20 years ago.
  - navaati 6y ago
    As compared to who ?

chris37879 6y ago

> helped to get more cards in the hands of gamers Well, you know, except for the cards that they binned specifically so they could be sold as 'mining' cards. There's no such thing, these are all 3060 GPUs, the mining cards have a slightly different firmware that wasn't even able to do the one thing it was supposed to do.

vmception 6y ago

please, I was here on Hackernews writing challenge accepted and prepared to buy as many of the non-mining cards on credit cards just waiting for the limitation to be removed