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From [1] > This is a Virtual Vault release of HP-UX, providing enhanced security features. Virtual Vault is a compartmentalised operating system in which each

From [1] > This is a Virtual Vault release of HP-UX, providing enhanced security features. Virtual Vault is a compartmentalised operating system in which each file is assigned a compartment and processes only have access to files in the appropriate compartment and unlike most other UNIX systems the superuser (or root) does not have complete access to the system without following correct procedures. It's cgroup + chroot, in the closest form. I took it as a very technically incorrect implication with "I was already doing containers with HP-UX Vaults in version 11 back in 1999." Docker is an development product that removes OS as the core concept from application development process. This is at least a milestone as fundamental as VMware's VM tech. The commercial failure of Docker container is unfortunate. But if the technology community cannot appreciate its significance, and let the VM-driven mindset belittle it, that's a true tragedy that puts off the drive to innovate. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HP-UX

TheGRS 6y ago
And Slack is just IRC for people who don't know better am I right?
- sombremesa 6y ago
  It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.
  - TheGRS 6y ago
    Point being that there is value in the abstraction, people value it, people pay for it. I know how to use a stick shift and I'll still pay for automatic for the ease of use.
    - u801e 6y ago
      Though for one who is experienced driving a vehicle with a manual transmission, a lot of the actions become second nature, meaning that it's not really more or less difficult to use. The only time a manual transmission vehicle is arguably more difficult to drive is in stop and go traffic, but I've handled that by maintaining a larger following distance and trying to maintain pace at idle speed in first or second gear.
  - rusk 6y ago
    Interesting analogy vs car transmission. I always find auto frustrating because it doesn’t give me the love of control I’m comfortable with ...
    - deckard1 6y ago
      probably neither here nor there, but I always see manual transmission in new cars as an anachronism bordering on placebo. Primarily because everything else is still an abstraction. Specifically steering. I recall BMW or maybe Porsche getting raked over the coals for their lifeless floaty steering in a few of their newer models. Modern steering is all emulated anyway, giving you that "road" feel. Along with cars piping in engine noise via the speakers (ugh)
      - seniorThrowaway 6y ago
        It's purely preference at this point and likely mainly for older people like me who grew up in the era where manuals were cheaper and more efficient. Neither is really true anymore, manuals have become an expensive option in most cases in the USA and the new automatics are more efficient. Complexity and cost to repair on the other hand...
    - spullara 6y ago
      There was a huge uprising against its removal from Porsche cars until they finally relented and added the option back starting with the GT4 but now it is also in the 911s.
  - u801e 6y ago
    Regarding transmission though, why hasn't the automatic transmission handly beaten the manual transmission in the rest of the world? My guess is because of the increased cost of maintenance and repair. I guess people are more willing to pay for support when abtracting the internals of their VCS away compared to others who understand it at a low level.
pjmlp 6y ago
You forgot to look up what happened since 1999, like Virtual Vault having been replaced by proper containers on HP-UX, https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en_US&docId=c02791255 https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en... And Tru64, Solaris, BSD also had similar capabilities on the UNIX linage, and naturally IBM and Unisys also had their own versions of the theme on their platforms.

TheGRS 6y ago

And Slack is just IRC for people who don't know better am I right?

sombremesa 6y ago
It pretty much is. A lot of people still use Git GUIs and automatic transmission has handily beaten manual transmission in the US - not everyone understands or even wants to understand the tech they use.
- TheGRS 6y ago
  Point being that there is value in the abstraction, people value it, people pay for it. I know how to use a stick shift and I'll still pay for automatic for the ease of use.
  - u801e 6y ago
    Though for one who is experienced driving a vehicle with a manual transmission, a lot of the actions become second nature, meaning that it's not really more or less difficult to use. The only time a manual transmission vehicle is arguably more difficult to drive is in stop and go traffic, but I've handled that by maintaining a larger following distance and trying to maintain pace at idle speed in first or second gear.
- rusk 6y ago
  Interesting analogy vs car transmission. I always find auto frustrating because it doesn’t give me the love of control I’m comfortable with ...
  - deckard1 6y ago
    probably neither here nor there, but I always see manual transmission in new cars as an anachronism bordering on placebo. Primarily because everything else is still an abstraction. Specifically steering. I recall BMW or maybe Porsche getting raked over the coals for their lifeless floaty steering in a few of their newer models. Modern steering is all emulated anyway, giving you that "road" feel. Along with cars piping in engine noise via the speakers (ugh)
    - seniorThrowaway 6y ago
      It's purely preference at this point and likely mainly for older people like me who grew up in the era where manuals were cheaper and more efficient. Neither is really true anymore, manuals have become an expensive option in most cases in the USA and the new automatics are more efficient. Complexity and cost to repair on the other hand...
  - spullara 6y ago
    There was a huge uprising against its removal from Porsche cars until they finally relented and added the option back starting with the GT4 but now it is also in the 911s.
- u801e 6y ago
  Regarding transmission though, why hasn't the automatic transmission handly beaten the manual transmission in the rest of the world? My guess is because of the increased cost of maintenance and repair. I guess people are more willing to pay for support when abtracting the internals of their VCS away compared to others who understand it at a low level.

pjmlp 6y ago

You forgot to look up what happened since 1999, like Virtual Vault having been replaced by proper containers on HP-UX, https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en_US&docId=c02791255 https://support.hpe.com/hpesc/public/docDisplay?docLocale=en... And Tru64, Solaris, BSD also had similar capabilities on the UNIX linage, and naturally IBM and Unisys also had their own versions of the theme on their platforms.