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If it's not that black and white, why not explain how rather than invoking negative programmer stereotypes?

by Chris2048 6y ago

pietrovismara 6y ago
I'm sorry for breaking the rules by being rude, but I find your kind of argument so lazy and malignant to be more offensive than any vulgarity. In short, you just have to get your head out of your ass and see how the majority of people are living today, even in first world countries.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  So why not make a substantial post on the topic, rather that name-calling? I consider that pretty lazy.
  - pietrovismara 6y ago
    When you have several users all brigading with the same propaganda (on the lines of "you always have a choice, ayn rand is my hero!") as if it was an undeniable truth, I have to face that. It's unavoidable, and not name calling. I precisely wrote about the argument, not the user.
renewiltord 6y ago
The answer is exactly what you (likely) suspect: * Most labour isn't high value * Western workers have an expectation of a high standard of living that grew out of post-War economic expansion * Employer/Employee relations are asymmetric: the former has greater market power to influence pricing than the latter * Fairness in human relations is an independent notion from the economic clearing price, cf. The Dictator Game * The most effective techniques at causing change involve at least some appeals to emotion or outrage Put this together and you'll get this thread.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  I follow the first 3 points, but not the latter 2. 1) employee / employer relations are not "human relations"; Actual human relationships involve transactions that are more than just monetary. A corporation offering jobs in a location is not otherwise involved in the economics of that place. 2) "The most effective techniques at causing change involve at least some appeals to emotion or outrage" What techniques/changes? political? Plenty techniques involving emotion or outrage are among the least effective too.
  - renewiltord 6y ago
    Just read the Wikipedia page for the dictator game. It'll fast-forward your understanding. I think this is the extent to which I am willing to tutor. But if you'd like more, I'll do it at $180/hr, email in profile. Should be 10 mins if you don't have further questions, 30 mins if you do.
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      Not even Wikipedia asserts that the experiment proves anything. And even if it did, the burden is on you to prove that "fairness in human relations" is relevant to this thread. That's exactly why I said: employee / employer relations are not "human relations" Since that's what we are talking about - I'm asking why this is relevant. But since you responded with smug condescension, it seems like your more interested in implying that I'm stupid (don't understand) and you're clever (I can tutor) than responding in good faith.
      - renewiltord 6y ago
        It isn't condescension. You're just living under the misapprehension that I am trying to convince you. You're welcome to believe what you want. If you don't think it's worth the money, it's okay if you don't want to pay.

If it's not that black and white, why not explain how rather than invoking negative programmer stereotypes?

I'm sorry for breaking the rules by being rude, but I find your kind of argument so lazy and malignant to be more offensive than any vulgarity. In short, you just have to get your head out of your ass and see how the majority of people are living today, even in first world countries.

Chris2048 6y ago
So why not make a substantial post on the topic, rather that name-calling? I consider that pretty lazy.
- pietrovismara 6y ago
  When you have several users all brigading with the same propaganda (on the lines of "you always have a choice, ayn rand is my hero!") as if it was an undeniable truth, I have to face that. It's unavoidable, and not name calling. I precisely wrote about the argument, not the user.

renewiltord 6y ago

The answer is exactly what you (likely) suspect: * Most labour isn't high value * Western workers have an expectation of a high standard of living that grew out of post-War economic expansion * Employer/Employee relations are asymmetric: the former has greater market power to influence pricing than the latter * Fairness in human relations is an independent notion from the economic clearing price, cf. The Dictator Game * The most effective techniques at causing change involve at least some appeals to emotion or outrage Put this together and you'll get this thread.

Chris2048 6y ago
I follow the first 3 points, but not the latter 2. 1) employee / employer relations are not "human relations"; Actual human relationships involve transactions that are more than just monetary. A corporation offering jobs in a location is not otherwise involved in the economics of that place. 2) "The most effective techniques at causing change involve at least some appeals to emotion or outrage" What techniques/changes? political? Plenty techniques involving emotion or outrage are among the least effective too.
- renewiltord 6y ago
  Just read the Wikipedia page for the dictator game. It'll fast-forward your understanding. I think this is the extent to which I am willing to tutor. But if you'd like more, I'll do it at $180/hr, email in profile. Should be 10 mins if you don't have further questions, 30 mins if you do.
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    Not even Wikipedia asserts that the experiment proves anything. And even if it did, the burden is on you to prove that "fairness in human relations" is relevant to this thread. That's exactly why I said: employee / employer relations are not "human relations" Since that's what we are talking about - I'm asking why this is relevant. But since you responded with smug condescension, it seems like your more interested in implying that I'm stupid (don't understand) and you're clever (I can tutor) than responding in good faith.
    - renewiltord 6y ago
      It isn't condescension. You're just living under the misapprehension that I am trying to convince you. You're welcome to believe what you want. If you don't think it's worth the money, it's okay if you don't want to pay.