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If everyone who threatens to stop creating content if they can't enslave ideas, were to stop creating content, the world would be a better place. The idea that

by breck 6y ago

If everyone who threatens to stop creating content if they can't enslave ideas, were to stop creating content, the world would be a better place. The idea that people would stop creating is absurd. I work in Cancer Research and the absolute least contributing people in the medical industry are the ones obsessed with patenting and copyrighting their work, which is usually garbage and of frivolous value compared to the hard grunt work of millions of unsung heroes grinding it out for non-monopoly wages. I was an engineer at Microsoft and the average code there was total garbage compared to the open source code powering top public domain projects. And no modern epic is significantly better than Ἰλιάς. Every letter we are using; every word; every bit of tooling; was made by other people in a long pyramid stretching back tens of thousands of years and billions of people wide. All of us are putting grains of sand on top.

falcolas 6y ago
> the world would be a better place. Really? Sounds pretty terrible to me. Few books. Few videogames. No movies. No TV shows. Most of the internet obliterated. Any content that is created is copied and regurgitated so much you'd be hard pressed find out who actually created it. I personally like consuming entertainment. I work with the creative side of my brain all day long, and being able to go home and turn it off with some relatively mindless entertainment (my form is a combination of books and videogames). I'd hate to come home one day and only have a zero budget, poorly tested, game to play, or a book that I've already re-read enough to quote it by memory. > And no modern epic is significantly better than Ἰλιάς. Pure opinion. And in any case, there's only one Iliad. There's hundreds of other "modern" epics out there - many of which I find more entertaining, though they are not as literarily significant. > the open source code powering top public domain projects Is it worth re-iterating that all of the open source licenses is supported by copyright protections? > All of us are putting grains of sand on top. Which obviously has its own value, as aptly demonstrated by the entertainment industry as a whole being valued in the trillions of dollars.
- breck 6y ago
  > Really? Sounds pretty terrible to me. Few books. Few videogames. No movies. No TV shows. Most of the internet obliterated. This is such bullsht. First of all, the fcking Internet is public domain tech (DARPA, Web). Second, the evidence is overwhelming that people will create vast amounts of content without any idea enslavement rights. According to your logic we wouldn't have janitors cleaning rooms if they couldn't collect a toll in perpetuity. > Any content that is created is copied and regurgitated so much you'd be hard pressed find out who actually created it. Here's a hint: no one. You created zero of the 25 letters you used in that comment, zero of the punctation marks, zero of the 184 words. You strung some words together in a unique arrangement, but you are piggybacking on a vast amount of effort which you contributed effectively zilch too. And you think your contributions deserve special treatment? What a f*cking joke. > Is it worth re-iterating that all of the open source licenses is supported by copyright protections? I don't support licenses. Licenses are for losers. Public domain is the only game that matters. Keep in mind that the tool we are using to communicate was made public domain by Tim Berners Lee.
  - falcolas 6y ago
    > According to your logic we wouldn't have janitors cleaning rooms if they couldn't collect a toll in perpetuity. To torture this analogy further, in the world you're presenting, a janitor has to beg for tips or rely upon their fans to get paid for their efforts. > And you think your contributions deserve special treatment? This assumes that there's no original thought, or production, or anything else in this day and age. I fundamentally disagree with this. To use a popular example, the archetypes presented in "A Game of Thrones" may have existed for decades or centuries, but they're presented in a wholly original story. A story which would not have existed in the past, present, or future if it wasn't for GRRM, and by extension, his ability to work full time writing his books. > Keep in mind that the tool we are using to communicate was made public domain by Tim Berners Lee. No, the tool we're using was originally created by Paul Graham, and is not public domain. In any case, it appears that there are irreconcilable differences in the foundations of our opinions (and politeness). I wish you luck.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  You are also discounting the cost to society for all the works of art that are created due to copyright. Copyright criminalizes remix culture and leads to evils like Youtube arbitrarily giving strikes because 5 seconds of a taylor swift song was in the background, suppression of criticism, and depriving the poor from access to modern culture.
  - cwkoss 6y ago
    > works of art that are created due to copyright. aren't*

by breck 6y ago

falcolas 6y ago

> the world would be a better place. Really? Sounds pretty terrible to me. Few books. Few videogames. No movies. No TV shows. Most of the internet obliterated. Any content that is created is copied and regurgitated so much you'd be hard pressed find out who actually created it. I personally like consuming entertainment. I work with the creative side of my brain all day long, and being able to go home and turn it off with some relatively mindless entertainment (my form is a combination of books and videogames). I'd hate to come home one day and only have a zero budget, poorly tested, game to play, or a book that I've already re-read enough to quote it by memory. > And no modern epic is significantly better than Ἰλιάς. Pure opinion. And in any case, there's only one Iliad. There's hundreds of other "modern" epics out there - many of which I find more entertaining, though they are not as literarily significant. > the open source code powering top public domain projects Is it worth re-iterating that all of the open source licenses is supported by copyright protections? > All of us are putting grains of sand on top. Which obviously has its own value, as aptly demonstrated by the entertainment industry as a whole being valued in the trillions of dollars.

breck 6y ago
> Really? Sounds pretty terrible to me. Few books. Few videogames. No movies. No TV shows. Most of the internet obliterated. This is such bullsht. First of all, the fcking Internet is public domain tech (DARPA, Web). Second, the evidence is overwhelming that people will create vast amounts of content without any idea enslavement rights. According to your logic we wouldn't have janitors cleaning rooms if they couldn't collect a toll in perpetuity. > Any content that is created is copied and regurgitated so much you'd be hard pressed find out who actually created it. Here's a hint: no one. You created zero of the 25 letters you used in that comment, zero of the punctation marks, zero of the 184 words. You strung some words together in a unique arrangement, but you are piggybacking on a vast amount of effort which you contributed effectively zilch too. And you think your contributions deserve special treatment? What a f*cking joke. > Is it worth re-iterating that all of the open source licenses is supported by copyright protections? I don't support licenses. Licenses are for losers. Public domain is the only game that matters. Keep in mind that the tool we are using to communicate was made public domain by Tim Berners Lee.
- falcolas 6y ago
  > According to your logic we wouldn't have janitors cleaning rooms if they couldn't collect a toll in perpetuity. To torture this analogy further, in the world you're presenting, a janitor has to beg for tips or rely upon their fans to get paid for their efforts. > And you think your contributions deserve special treatment? This assumes that there's no original thought, or production, or anything else in this day and age. I fundamentally disagree with this. To use a popular example, the archetypes presented in "A Game of Thrones" may have existed for decades or centuries, but they're presented in a wholly original story. A story which would not have existed in the past, present, or future if it wasn't for GRRM, and by extension, his ability to work full time writing his books. > Keep in mind that the tool we are using to communicate was made public domain by Tim Berners Lee. No, the tool we're using was originally created by Paul Graham, and is not public domain. In any case, it appears that there are irreconcilable differences in the foundations of our opinions (and politeness). I wish you luck.
cwkoss 6y ago
You are also discounting the cost to society for all the works of art that are created due to copyright. Copyright criminalizes remix culture and leads to evils like Youtube arbitrarily giving strikes because 5 seconds of a taylor swift song was in the background, suppression of criticism, and depriving the poor from access to modern culture.
- cwkoss 6y ago
  > works of art that are created due to copyright. aren't*