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I think Apple is justifiably terrified of a 3rd party battery, installed by someone with 5 minutes of training, causing a fire and making headlines.

spamizbad 6y ago
Okay, then why is the camera serialized and not the battery (which, incidentally, you CAN replace on the iPhone 12)?
- bzzzt 6y ago
  Just guessing: - it's a component of the Face ID authentication scheme - they don't want people using iPhones with sub-par camera's posting on social media - they don't want iPhones with sub-par camera's on the second hand market
  - smoldesu 6y ago
    Then don't let it take sub-par cameras. I don't give a rats ass about serialized components as long as I can still buy and install the factory parts.
  - AshWolfy 6y ago
    The cameras have nothing to do with face ID, and its not just that 3rd parts cameras arent compatable, but even oem cameras arent without access to apple's systems called ast2 and gsx
- eigen 6y ago
  > Okay, then why is the camera serialized and not the battery (which, incidentally, you CAN replace on the iPhone 12)? on my macbook I can see the battery serial number in System Information under the Power section and the camera unique ID under the Camera section. not sure why it would be any different on the iphone.
rover0 6y ago
How is a 3rd party battery related to replacing an apple iphone camera with an apple iphone camera?
- bzzzt 6y ago
  Because there are also off-brand "Apple iPhone camera's" (for instance QC failures from the factory, third shifts or clones)
  - rover0 6y ago
    There are no 3rd party iphone camera's for recent iphones. Apple blocks replacing an iphone camera with an iphone camera using their software. iPhone 12 is unrepairable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnG3h3Jewq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnG3h3Jewq4
    - bzzzt 6y ago
      Apple (and authorizaed repair shops) can and will repair iPhone 12's. Just wondering how often you'd need camera repair. I've never heard of someone needing a camera replacement for their phone, so to me this looks like a guy inflating a niche problem to enormous proportions to make a point for his sponsors.
      - rover0 6y ago
        Louis is a repair guy, not some guy working "for his sponsors." The camera is an example of unrepairability.
minikites 6y ago
Do replacement cameras and screens cause fires too?
- bzzzt 6y ago
  Worse, they cause unsatisfied customers who don't want their next phone to be an Apple.
  - C19is20 6y ago
    I bought some OEM stuff for my car. I bet Ford are fuming that I've devalued their product. If someone replaced a camera and weren't happy with it, at least they could try another.
    - bzzzt 6y ago
      I bet they are when you're passing it on as a 'genuine' Ford part when you're selling the car.
  - minikites 6y ago
    That's a problem for Apple. Why is it a problem for consumers?
    - nomel 6y ago
      I imagine the used market would be flooded with "iPhones" filled with non-genuine parts. Non genuine parts often don't interact well with things like firmware updates.
      - minikites 6y ago
        So by this logic all automobiles should only be serviced by the manufacturer. Somehow I think we'd manage to figure something out for a product that is orders of magnitude less dangerous than an automobile.
mqus 6y ago
Apple is terrified of bad headlines? That's news to me.
ClumsyPilot 6y ago
Why should my rights to do as I please with my property suffer because of what Apple wants. Last time I checked, i didnt lease the iPhone, I bought it. This is a straight up violation of property rights we pay full price for these products, but we have no control of any sort! If we let this continue, we will live in a world where the manufacturer of a smart bottle decides when you stop drinking, the manufacturer of a TV decides that you shouldn't be watching porn, etc.

spamizbad 6y ago

Okay, then why is the camera serialized and not the battery (which, incidentally, you CAN replace on the iPhone 12)?

bzzzt 6y ago
Just guessing: - it's a component of the Face ID authentication scheme - they don't want people using iPhones with sub-par camera's posting on social media - they don't want iPhones with sub-par camera's on the second hand market
- smoldesu 6y ago
  Then don't let it take sub-par cameras. I don't give a rats ass about serialized components as long as I can still buy and install the factory parts.
- AshWolfy 6y ago
  The cameras have nothing to do with face ID, and its not just that 3rd parts cameras arent compatable, but even oem cameras arent without access to apple's systems called ast2 and gsx
eigen 6y ago
> Okay, then why is the camera serialized and not the battery (which, incidentally, you CAN replace on the iPhone 12)? on my macbook I can see the battery serial number in System Information under the Power section and the camera unique ID under the Camera section. not sure why it would be any different on the iphone.

rover0 6y ago

How is a 3rd party battery related to replacing an apple iphone camera with an apple iphone camera?

bzzzt 6y ago
Because there are also off-brand "Apple iPhone camera's" (for instance QC failures from the factory, third shifts or clones)
- rover0 6y ago
  There are no 3rd party iphone camera's for recent iphones. Apple blocks replacing an iphone camera with an iphone camera using their software. iPhone 12 is unrepairable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnG3h3Jewq4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnG3h3Jewq4
  - bzzzt 6y ago
    Apple (and authorizaed repair shops) can and will repair iPhone 12's. Just wondering how often you'd need camera repair. I've never heard of someone needing a camera replacement for their phone, so to me this looks like a guy inflating a niche problem to enormous proportions to make a point for his sponsors.
    - rover0 6y ago
      Louis is a repair guy, not some guy working "for his sponsors." The camera is an example of unrepairability.

minikites 6y ago

Do replacement cameras and screens cause fires too?

bzzzt 6y ago
Worse, they cause unsatisfied customers who don't want their next phone to be an Apple.
- C19is20 6y ago
  I bought some OEM stuff for my car. I bet Ford are fuming that I've devalued their product. If someone replaced a camera and weren't happy with it, at least they could try another.
  - bzzzt 6y ago
    I bet they are when you're passing it on as a 'genuine' Ford part when you're selling the car.
- minikites 6y ago
  That's a problem for Apple. Why is it a problem for consumers?
  - nomel 6y ago
    I imagine the used market would be flooded with "iPhones" filled with non-genuine parts. Non genuine parts often don't interact well with things like firmware updates.
    - minikites 6y ago
      So by this logic all automobiles should only be serviced by the manufacturer. Somehow I think we'd manage to figure something out for a product that is orders of magnitude less dangerous than an automobile.

mqus 6y ago

Apple is terrified of bad headlines? That's news to me.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago

Why should my rights to do as I please with my property suffer because of what Apple wants. Last time I checked, i didnt lease the iPhone, I bought it. This is a straight up violation of property rights we pay full price for these products, but we have no control of any sort! If we let this continue, we will live in a world where the manufacturer of a smart bottle decides when you stop drinking, the manufacturer of a TV decides that you shouldn't be watching porn, etc.