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While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

by dannyr 6y ago

disgu 6y ago
That's according to "I know China evil" or is this based on anything? We know that China was playing catch-up when Snowden leaked his stuff so they might have caught up. Can you link the corresponding leaks? I'd love to read some of the Chinese ones because the most recent big things I could find were Snowden leaks.
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Playing the Snowden card doesn't invalidate what China is doing. What the U.S. was doing was bad. What China is doing is also bad. They can both be bad.
  - okprod 6y ago
    Yea but OP's statement that we're all responding to is "Get. Out. of. china. Or be ruled by the authoritarianism of the CCP"
- dannyr 6y ago
  I have read a number of news articles and the book "We Have Been Harmonized" https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-china-s-surveillance-state/9780063027299 https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c... Is this enough for me to say "I Know China evil"?
josh2600 6y ago
Do you have any metrics or other proof to verify this statement?
- reaperducer 6y ago
  Does pretty much every major newspaper around the world count?
- dannyr 6y ago
  I read this book: We Have Been Harmonized: Life in China's Surveillance State - Kai Strittmatter (Author) https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-china-s-surveillance-state/9780063027299 https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c... "China's new drive for repression is being underpinned by unpre-cedented advances in technology: facial and voice recognition, GPS tracking, supercomputer databases, intercepted cell phone conver-sations, the monitoring of app use, and millions of high-resolution security cameras make it nearly impossible for a Chinese citizen to hide anything from authorities. Commercial transactions, including food deliveries and online purchases, are fed into vast databases, along with everything from biometric information to social media activities to methods of birth control. Cameras (so advanced that they can locate a single person within a stadium crowd of 60,000) scan for faces and walking patterns to track each individual's movement."

While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

by dannyr 6y ago

While I'm not a fan of the data gathering done by Google and Facebook, the magnitude of tracking done by China are far, far greater.

disgu 6y ago

That's according to "I know China evil" or is this based on anything? We know that China was playing catch-up when Snowden leaked his stuff so they might have caught up. Can you link the corresponding leaks? I'd love to read some of the Chinese ones because the most recent big things I could find were Snowden leaks.

reaperducer 6y ago
Playing the Snowden card doesn't invalidate what China is doing. What the U.S. was doing was bad. What China is doing is also bad. They can both be bad.
- okprod 6y ago
  Yea but OP's statement that we're all responding to is "Get. Out. of. china. Or be ruled by the authoritarianism of the CCP"
dannyr 6y ago
I have read a number of news articles and the book "We Have Been Harmonized" https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-china-s-surveillance-state/9780063027299 https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c... Is this enough for me to say "I Know China evil"?

josh2600 6y ago

Do you have any metrics or other proof to verify this statement?

reaperducer 6y ago
Does pretty much every major newspaper around the world count?
dannyr 6y ago
I read this book: We Have Been Harmonized: Life in China's Surveillance State - Kai Strittmatter (Author) https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-china-s-surveillance-state/9780063027299 https://bookshop.org/books/we-have-been-harmonized-life-in-c... "China's new drive for repression is being underpinned by unpre-cedented advances in technology: facial and voice recognition, GPS tracking, supercomputer databases, intercepted cell phone conver-sations, the monitoring of app use, and millions of high-resolution security cameras make it nearly impossible for a Chinese citizen to hide anything from authorities. Commercial transactions, including food deliveries and online purchases, are fed into vast databases, along with everything from biometric information to social media activities to methods of birth control. Cameras (so advanced that they can locate a single person within a stadium crowd of 60,000) scan for faces and walking patterns to track each individual's movement."