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> Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Sorry but so much machismo

by brmgb 6y ago

> Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Sorry but so much machismo, so little engineering culture here. > Failure (in your words a "pointless work") is a part of the process. No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. This is hubris. Anything you do which could have been avoided is a cost that shouldn't be there. It is the opposite of proper engineering. > Baby sitting Providing guidance is not baby sitting. If you can't properly deal with less experienced people including making them confident enough that they don't pester you, you have no business being a senior member of the team because that's what distinguish the job from just being a productive junior member.

majkinetor 6y ago
> No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. You are making this up again. Who is "everybody" and how they know? To know, you must get involved, the people minds are not projected into mine while I walk around or eat soup. If I get constantly involved in junior level shit (like every claimed hour x N juniors == constantly) , why am I here and how will junior become something else, and how will I progress into better engineer (hint: not by repeating hello world patterns, but buy doing real world "macho" stuff as you say it) ? This even exists in animal world mate, first time rat mothers are too accommodating and their pups are easy pray for predators. > Providing guidance is not baby sitting. I am not against providing guidance, but what you talk about is not that. Sorry, but if you behave that way, you are baby sitter and you are making community around you the kindergarten, which is detrimental to profession.

by brmgb 6y ago

majkinetor 6y ago

> No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. You are making this up again. Who is "everybody" and how they know? To know, you must get involved, the people minds are not projected into mine while I walk around or eat soup. If I get constantly involved in junior level shit (like every claimed hour x N juniors == constantly) , why am I here and how will junior become something else, and how will I progress into better engineer (hint: not by repeating hello world patterns, but buy doing real world "macho" stuff as you say it) ? This even exists in animal world mate, first time rat mothers are too accommodating and their pups are easy pray for predators. > Providing guidance is not baby sitting. I am not against providing guidance, but what you talk about is not that. Sorry, but if you behave that way, you are baby sitter and you are making community around you the kindergarten, which is detrimental to profession.