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Worse than feeling overly cynical is then having your cynicism validated. I recognized this guy's name, so skimming over the twitter thread my cynical thought

Worse than feeling overly cynical is then having your cynicism validated. I recognized this guy's name, so skimming over the twitter thread my cynical thought was "I bet ConvertKit is working on a Gumroad competitor", and sure enough, they already have one.

joshmanders 6y ago
Him being a competitor really doesn't change the shitty things Shl did.
- duxup 6y ago
  >the shitty things Shl did. What? I asked earlier about 'mismanagement' and other accusations but nobody defines this stuff.
  - joshmanders 6y ago
    Good job downvoting instead of doing some self research. It's not hard to find stuff. The stuff Nathan talks about isn't even the worst. He never mentions Shl's attempt to monetize racial injustice and then telling a black woman she doesn't qualify for the promotion because her skin isn't dark enough, then blocking everyone who says what he did/said was not cool, and instead of acknowledging and fixing his fuckups, he just goes silent until the uproar dies down and then goes on with business.
    - duxup 6y ago
      >It's not hard to find stuff. What stuff? The rest of your post sounds like some personal conflict about some unrelated topic.... it's about racial injustice now? Are you saying the dude who posted that twitter thread is concerned about that?
      - joshmanders 6y ago
        I'm saying Shl is a shitty person and screwing the original creators of Gumroad out of their equity is just a drop in the bucket for the shitty things he's done, and Nathan creating ConvertKit Commerce in direct competition with Gumroad doesn't negate the things Nathan brings up, and other people have brought up in light of Shl taking peoples money for nothing in return. People are too quick to just ignore things people point out because gasp he has a competing project!!!
        vmception 6y ago
        So neither you or Nathan have posted what you would like to happen and why. What is that? Rebrand Gumroad instead? A lower valuation? Different kind of security issued with more rights? Shi should be shut out from the capital markets and corporate sphere forever? PSA to investors who have already 100% subscribed the max raise? I'm just grasping, what do you guys want to happen?
        joshmanders 6y ago
        Why do we have to want something like that to happen? Why can't we just be like "Hey, just so you know, this stuff happened. Make sure you're not being duped into investing in Gumroad without knowing who you're investing in." Especially considering the terms on Republic not favorable at all for investors.
        vmception 6y ago
        okay, I can see that. yeah its quite rhetorical and open ended, and the sale is already closed.

joshmanders 6y ago

Him being a competitor really doesn't change the shitty things Shl did.

duxup 6y ago
>the shitty things Shl did. What? I asked earlier about 'mismanagement' and other accusations but nobody defines this stuff.
- joshmanders 6y ago
  Good job downvoting instead of doing some self research. It's not hard to find stuff. The stuff Nathan talks about isn't even the worst. He never mentions Shl's attempt to monetize racial injustice and then telling a black woman she doesn't qualify for the promotion because her skin isn't dark enough, then blocking everyone who says what he did/said was not cool, and instead of acknowledging and fixing his fuckups, he just goes silent until the uproar dies down and then goes on with business.
  - duxup 6y ago
    >It's not hard to find stuff. What stuff? The rest of your post sounds like some personal conflict about some unrelated topic.... it's about racial injustice now? Are you saying the dude who posted that twitter thread is concerned about that?
    - joshmanders 6y ago
      I'm saying Shl is a shitty person and screwing the original creators of Gumroad out of their equity is just a drop in the bucket for the shitty things he's done, and Nathan creating ConvertKit Commerce in direct competition with Gumroad doesn't negate the things Nathan brings up, and other people have brought up in light of Shl taking peoples money for nothing in return. People are too quick to just ignore things people point out because gasp he has a competing project!!!
      - vmception 6y ago
        So neither you or Nathan have posted what you would like to happen and why. What is that? Rebrand Gumroad instead? A lower valuation? Different kind of security issued with more rights? Shi should be shut out from the capital markets and corporate sphere forever? PSA to investors who have already 100% subscribed the max raise? I'm just grasping, what do you guys want to happen?
        joshmanders 6y ago
        Why do we have to want something like that to happen? Why can't we just be like "Hey, just so you know, this stuff happened. Make sure you're not being duped into investing in Gumroad without knowing who you're investing in." Especially considering the terms on Republic not favorable at all for investors.
        vmception 6y ago
        okay, I can see that. yeah its quite rhetorical and open ended, and the sale is already closed.