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So not only do I have to pay for tires, I have to pay for storage. If this is made mandatory, there's going to be a lot of people who can't pay.

EdwardDiego 6y ago
Serious question, if you crashed in winter conditions, and you didn't have appropriate tyres or chains, would your insurance cover it?
- alistairSH 6y ago
  Lacking a mandate to use winter tires, yes, they probably would.
  - EdwardDiego 6y ago
    Sweet, that makes sense. Thanks!
    - astura 6y ago
      Definitely depends on the specifics of the individual policy, many policies (that I've had) don't list winter tires as a requirement for wintertime, but sometimes you can get a discount on your premium for having winter tires if you live in a snowy area, which then would have a tire requirement in the policy.
  - lupire 6y ago
    And your insurance would cost more to cover. Insurance isn't free.
  - pasttense01 6y ago
    But if you had an insurance deductible of $1,000 that $1,000 could well be enough to buy a set of winter tires and rims.
leetcrew 6y ago
not to mention the injustice of having to pay for seatbelts! sometimes safety isn't free.
- minikites 6y ago
  You don't have to change your seatbelts with the seasons.
astura 6y ago
Dude, seriously? It's part of the cost of owning a car, cars are really expensive to own and maintain - that's life. Winter tires are worth it if it snows regularly where you live, you'll probably save money in the long run by not crashing and your insurance might even give you a discount for putting winter tires on. I don't put on winter tires nowadays because it only snows 0-2 times a year here so I simply don't drive in the snow instead. When I lived in a very snowy area I got winter tires put on every winter.
- curryst 6y ago
  This likely doesn't apply to a lot of people here, but I have several friends for whom a new set of tires is a substantial portion of the value of your vehicle. When you're driving a $2,000 car, buying $600 worth of tires probably doesn't make a lot of sense. Of course, you could buy used, but I would wager most of the things that make winter tires good in the winter tend to wear out by the time they make it to a used tire shop.
  - leetcrew 6y ago
    > Of course, you could buy used, but I would wager most of the things that make winter tires good in the winter tend to wear out by the time they make it to a used tire shop. probably not. the main thing that makes a winter tire good in the winter is the rubber compound. as long as the tire has enough tread and is less than about six years old, it will outperform all-seasons in cold weather. every rubber compound has a temperature window where it performs optimally. too cold and the tire is like a rock; it doesn't grip well even on dry pavement. too warm, and the tire is too supple and will wear out much faster. if you expect to do a lot of driving in ambient temperatures much below 40F, you need winter tires. you might get away with all-seasons for a long time, but you probably don't realize how close you are to the tire's limits.
  - astura 6y ago
    Look, when I was a poor college student my car was worth less than $2k, I still put winter tires on. Safety is a top priority and I'd absolutely needed to get to class in the snow.
throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Still a ton cheaper for those people than having their cars rust out on them, which is a larger lump sum even if it's a comparable cost over time (which it's likely not).

EdwardDiego 6y ago

Serious question, if you crashed in winter conditions, and you didn't have appropriate tyres or chains, would your insurance cover it?

alistairSH 6y ago
Lacking a mandate to use winter tires, yes, they probably would.
- EdwardDiego 6y ago
  Sweet, that makes sense. Thanks!
  - astura 6y ago
    Definitely depends on the specifics of the individual policy, many policies (that I've had) don't list winter tires as a requirement for wintertime, but sometimes you can get a discount on your premium for having winter tires if you live in a snowy area, which then would have a tire requirement in the policy.
- lupire 6y ago
  And your insurance would cost more to cover. Insurance isn't free.
- pasttense01 6y ago
  But if you had an insurance deductible of $1,000 that $1,000 could well be enough to buy a set of winter tires and rims.

leetcrew 6y ago

not to mention the injustice of having to pay for seatbelts! sometimes safety isn't free.

minikites 6y ago
You don't have to change your seatbelts with the seasons.

astura 6y ago

Dude, seriously? It's part of the cost of owning a car, cars are really expensive to own and maintain - that's life. Winter tires are worth it if it snows regularly where you live, you'll probably save money in the long run by not crashing and your insurance might even give you a discount for putting winter tires on. I don't put on winter tires nowadays because it only snows 0-2 times a year here so I simply don't drive in the snow instead. When I lived in a very snowy area I got winter tires put on every winter.

curryst 6y ago
This likely doesn't apply to a lot of people here, but I have several friends for whom a new set of tires is a substantial portion of the value of your vehicle. When you're driving a $2,000 car, buying $600 worth of tires probably doesn't make a lot of sense. Of course, you could buy used, but I would wager most of the things that make winter tires good in the winter tend to wear out by the time they make it to a used tire shop.
- leetcrew 6y ago
  > Of course, you could buy used, but I would wager most of the things that make winter tires good in the winter tend to wear out by the time they make it to a used tire shop. probably not. the main thing that makes a winter tire good in the winter is the rubber compound. as long as the tire has enough tread and is less than about six years old, it will outperform all-seasons in cold weather. every rubber compound has a temperature window where it performs optimally. too cold and the tire is like a rock; it doesn't grip well even on dry pavement. too warm, and the tire is too supple and will wear out much faster. if you expect to do a lot of driving in ambient temperatures much below 40F, you need winter tires. you might get away with all-seasons for a long time, but you probably don't realize how close you are to the tire's limits.
- astura 6y ago
  Look, when I was a poor college student my car was worth less than $2k, I still put winter tires on. Safety is a top priority and I'd absolutely needed to get to class in the snow.

throwaway0a5e 6y ago

Still a ton cheaper for those people than having their cars rust out on them, which is a larger lump sum even if it's a comparable cost over time (which it's likely not).