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There was a pretty incendiary flame war on Twitter about this: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status/1371549184701067265 https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status

There was a pretty incendiary flame war on Twitter about this: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status/1371549184701067265 https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status/1371549184701067265

paulgb 6y ago
My only relationship to any of this is as a gumroad customer but this seems like a cheap shot? Nathan alleges mismanagement but doesn’t go into details as far as I can tell. To me the story seems to be that investors were ready to leave gumroad for dead, Sahil made some hard decisions and managed a very unlikely comeback.
gadders 6y ago
I think Nathan has put a slightly negative spin on what happened to Gumroad- maybe implying that it was intended all along - but he does have a bit of a point.
- duxup 6y ago
  >he does have a bit of a point Whats the point? Really though, I'm having trouble figuring it out.
  - gadders 6y ago
    That Gumroad states it is "for creators" but the original Gumroad creators will not benefit from the new funding round.
    - duxup 6y ago
      IIRC 'creators' as far as Grumroad's tagline is concerned are their customers.
      - gadders 6y ago
        Yes, understood, but I guess Nathan Barry's point would be why treat your company co-creators differently than your customer-creators.
        duxup 6y ago
        Call me crazy but I think the deal between the two is dramatically different up front, even what everyone does. End customer's don't have any equity... in the end neither did the employees. That's the same, unfortunately. But they're the same that way. I think those are two dramatically different deals you're making with people, pretending they should be the same seems oblivious to the actual relationships.
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    Read the top comment on this article.
duxup 6y ago
What's up with the references to 'tanking' and 'mismanagement'? It's like the worst of twitter right there, just a bunch of tweet / word salad and accusations without anything to explain what any of that is / back up the meat of the accusations ...
kjakm 6y ago
Something I didn't realise until a while after reading this was that the author of the tweets was previously a large Gumroad customer + now runs a competing business (ConvertKit Commerce). I believe the events he's talking about are also very public (I think the Gumroad founder wrote a blog post about it that was on HN not that long ago).
- dharmon 6y ago
  Worse than feeling overly cynical is then having your cynicism validated. I recognized this guy's name, so skimming over the twitter thread my cynical thought was "I bet ConvertKit is working on a Gumroad competitor", and sure enough, they already have one.
  - joshmanders 6y ago
    Him being a competitor really doesn't change the shitty things Shl did.
    - duxup 6y ago
      >the shitty things Shl did. What? I asked earlier about 'mismanagement' and other accusations but nobody defines this stuff.
      - joshmanders 6y ago
        Good job downvoting instead of doing some self research. It's not hard to find stuff. The stuff Nathan talks about isn't even the worst. He never mentions Shl's attempt to monetize racial injustice and then telling a black woman she doesn't qualify for the promotion because her skin isn't dark enough, then blocking everyone who says what he did/said was not cool, and instead of acknowledging and fixing his fuckups, he just goes silent until the uproar dies down and then goes on with business.
        duxup 6y ago
        >It's not hard to find stuff. What stuff? The rest of your post sounds like some personal conflict about some unrelated topic.... it's about racial injustice now? Are you saying the dude who posted that twitter thread is concerned about that?

There was a pretty incendiary flame war on Twitter about this: https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status/1371549184701067265 https://twitter.com/nathanbarry/status/1371549184701067265

paulgb 6y ago

My only relationship to any of this is as a gumroad customer but this seems like a cheap shot? Nathan alleges mismanagement but doesn’t go into details as far as I can tell. To me the story seems to be that investors were ready to leave gumroad for dead, Sahil made some hard decisions and managed a very unlikely comeback.

gadders 6y ago

I think Nathan has put a slightly negative spin on what happened to Gumroad- maybe implying that it was intended all along - but he does have a bit of a point.

duxup 6y ago
>he does have a bit of a point Whats the point? Really though, I'm having trouble figuring it out.
- gadders 6y ago
  That Gumroad states it is "for creators" but the original Gumroad creators will not benefit from the new funding round.
  - duxup 6y ago
    IIRC 'creators' as far as Grumroad's tagline is concerned are their customers.
    - gadders 6y ago
      Yes, understood, but I guess Nathan Barry's point would be why treat your company co-creators differently than your customer-creators.
      - duxup 6y ago
        Call me crazy but I think the deal between the two is dramatically different up front, even what everyone does. End customer's don't have any equity... in the end neither did the employees. That's the same, unfortunately. But they're the same that way. I think those are two dramatically different deals you're making with people, pretending they should be the same seems oblivious to the actual relationships.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  Read the top comment on this article.

duxup 6y ago

What's up with the references to 'tanking' and 'mismanagement'? It's like the worst of twitter right there, just a bunch of tweet / word salad and accusations without anything to explain what any of that is / back up the meat of the accusations ...

kjakm 6y ago

Something I didn't realise until a while after reading this was that the author of the tweets was previously a large Gumroad customer + now runs a competing business (ConvertKit Commerce). I believe the events he's talking about are also very public (I think the Gumroad founder wrote a blog post about it that was on HN not that long ago).

dharmon 6y ago
Worse than feeling overly cynical is then having your cynicism validated. I recognized this guy's name, so skimming over the twitter thread my cynical thought was "I bet ConvertKit is working on a Gumroad competitor", and sure enough, they already have one.
- joshmanders 6y ago
  Him being a competitor really doesn't change the shitty things Shl did.
  - duxup 6y ago
    >the shitty things Shl did. What? I asked earlier about 'mismanagement' and other accusations but nobody defines this stuff.
    - joshmanders 6y ago
      Good job downvoting instead of doing some self research. It's not hard to find stuff. The stuff Nathan talks about isn't even the worst. He never mentions Shl's attempt to monetize racial injustice and then telling a black woman she doesn't qualify for the promotion because her skin isn't dark enough, then blocking everyone who says what he did/said was not cool, and instead of acknowledging and fixing his fuckups, he just goes silent until the uproar dies down and then goes on with business.
      - duxup 6y ago
        >It's not hard to find stuff. What stuff? The rest of your post sounds like some personal conflict about some unrelated topic.... it's about racial injustice now? Are you saying the dude who posted that twitter thread is concerned about that?