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And why would that be, pray tell?

ThomPete 6y ago
Because with Nuclear you are providing true cost which includes everything from insurance to decomission. LCOE isn't a very thorough standard which you quickly realize once you dig into it. Furthermore renewables are unreliable and thus require backup energy from reliable sources such as coal, oil, gas or nuclear. Because renewables are forced into use when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, they basically make the reliable sources more expensive. I could go on with all sorts of ways this provides a completely skewed comparison structure. Comparing the cost of nuclear vs. and wind and solar is like comparing the cost of construction and upkeep of a Boing 747 and a Cessna based on their ability to fly.
- bildung 6y ago
  > Because with Nuclear you are providing true cost which includes everything from insurance to decomission. All of these, including decomission, are part of the LCOE formula, just as they are for renewables or coal or gas: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e0496e24a3fa045ca74e9f9b089946c96c2ef4f3 https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e049...
- freeflight 6y ago
  > Because renewables are forced into use when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, they basically make the reliable sources more expensive. That problem with renewables can easily be fixed with storage, which can be batteries, generating green hydrogen trough electrolysis or a number of many other ways. While on summer days where a lot of sun shines nuclear reactors have their very own problem: They produce too much heat and need to be throttled/shut down [0] [1] or else they would start heating up their cooling medium too much, which are usually nearby waterbodies/river systems. With global warming being a thing, we can expect this problem to occur much more frequently, and even more so if we decided to build even more reactors. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-nuclear-reactors-shut-down-edf-europe-heat-wave-a8477776.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-nucle... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-electricity-heatwave-idUSKCN1UK0HR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-electricity-heatwa...
  - ThomPete 6y ago
    It can't easily be fixed which is why it haven't yet. There is a world of difference between making something work in the lab and in a test situation and then at scale, economically, practically and in competition with extremely powerful competitors.

Because with Nuclear you are providing true cost which includes everything from insurance to decomission. LCOE isn't a very thorough standard which you quickly realize once you dig into it. Furthermore renewables are unreliable and thus require backup energy from reliable sources such as coal, oil, gas or nuclear. Because renewables are forced into use when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, they basically make the reliable sources more expensive. I could go on with all sorts of ways this provides a completely skewed comparison structure. Comparing the cost of nuclear vs. and wind and solar is like comparing the cost of construction and upkeep of a Boing 747 and a Cessna based on their ability to fly.

bildung 6y ago
> Because with Nuclear you are providing true cost which includes everything from insurance to decomission. All of these, including decomission, are part of the LCOE formula, just as they are for renewables or coal or gas: https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e0496e24a3fa045ca74e9f9b089946c96c2ef4f3 https://wikimedia.org/api/rest_v1/media/math/render/svg/e049...
freeflight 6y ago
> Because renewables are forced into use when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing, they basically make the reliable sources more expensive. That problem with renewables can easily be fixed with storage, which can be batteries, generating green hydrogen trough electrolysis or a number of many other ways. While on summer days where a lot of sun shines nuclear reactors have their very own problem: They produce too much heat and need to be throttled/shut down [0] [1] or else they would start heating up their cooling medium too much, which are usually nearby waterbodies/river systems. With global warming being a thing, we can expect this problem to occur much more frequently, and even more so if we decided to build even more reactors. [0] https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-nuclear-reactors-shut-down-edf-europe-heat-wave-a8477776.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-nucle... [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-electricity-heatwave-idUSKCN1UK0HR https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-electricity-heatwa...
- ThomPete 6y ago
  It can't easily be fixed which is why it haven't yet. There is a world of difference between making something work in the lab and in a test situation and then at scale, economically, practically and in competition with extremely powerful competitors.