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Energy directly translates to wealth, wealth translates to stability. The lengths of bizzare ideas people go through to not help their close neighbours, so tha

by j-pb 6y ago

Energy directly translates to wealth, wealth translates to stability. The lengths of bizzare ideas people go through to not help their close neighbours, so that they can avoid facing the injustices of the past have no end.

LunaSea 6y ago
Close neighbours that are dictatorships and openly resent and propagate hate against their neighbours. Maybe not a great idea to setup infrastructure that is core to your country. Just look at Russia and German gas imports to see how this plays out.
- j-pb 6y ago
  By making the russian economy heavily dependent on europe, europe gets geopolitical influence on russia. The US is the worlds Hard SuperPower, europe is the worlds Soft SuperPower. You'd pre pretty resentfull too btw, if your continent had been carved up by a foreign power with complete disregard for your cultural borders, extracted your resources and the discarded you in a state of chaos. The african people can't be that hatefull if they try to escape their impoverished conditions by seeking an education and better life in europe. The european people have a historical responsibility to right the wrongs their ancestors did to the ancestors of the people of africa. A inter-continental power grid and energy collaboration is a win win for everybody.
  - LunaSea 6y ago
    > By making the russian economy heavily dependent on europe, europe gets geopolitical influence on russia. That's not how this worked out in the last 20 years of negotiations; > You'd pre pretty resentfull too btw, if your continent had been carved up by a foreign power with complete disregard for your cultural borders, extracted your resources and the discarded you in a state of chaos. Agreed, but that just validates the fact that it wouldn't be a good idea to put critical infrastructure in a country that resents you. > The african people can't be that hatefull if they try to escape their impoverished conditions by seeking an education and better life in europe. Right, because they individually gain something out of it. > The european people have a historical responsibility to right the wrongs their ancestors did to the ancestors of the people of africa. Do African people have a historical responsibility for the wrongs done by Algerian piracy or for destroying each other's empires? > A inter-continental power grid and energy collaboration is a win win for everybody. It's really not when the most basic things already don't work in said countries. You can see the European CoVid-19 help to Tanzania for a little sneak preview.
hackeraccount 6y ago
"Energy directly translates to wealth, wealth translates to stability." Is that true? It's not hard to think of energy poor countries that are poor or energy rich ones that are poor. Stability is an ambiguous thing but it seems like it's easier to make the the argument that stability causes wealth or instability causes poverty then the opposite.

by j-pb 6y ago

LunaSea 6y ago

Close neighbours that are dictatorships and openly resent and propagate hate against their neighbours. Maybe not a great idea to setup infrastructure that is core to your country. Just look at Russia and German gas imports to see how this plays out.

j-pb 6y ago
By making the russian economy heavily dependent on europe, europe gets geopolitical influence on russia. The US is the worlds Hard SuperPower, europe is the worlds Soft SuperPower. You'd pre pretty resentfull too btw, if your continent had been carved up by a foreign power with complete disregard for your cultural borders, extracted your resources and the discarded you in a state of chaos. The african people can't be that hatefull if they try to escape their impoverished conditions by seeking an education and better life in europe. The european people have a historical responsibility to right the wrongs their ancestors did to the ancestors of the people of africa. A inter-continental power grid and energy collaboration is a win win for everybody.
- LunaSea 6y ago
  > By making the russian economy heavily dependent on europe, europe gets geopolitical influence on russia. That's not how this worked out in the last 20 years of negotiations; > You'd pre pretty resentfull too btw, if your continent had been carved up by a foreign power with complete disregard for your cultural borders, extracted your resources and the discarded you in a state of chaos. Agreed, but that just validates the fact that it wouldn't be a good idea to put critical infrastructure in a country that resents you. > The african people can't be that hatefull if they try to escape their impoverished conditions by seeking an education and better life in europe. Right, because they individually gain something out of it. > The european people have a historical responsibility to right the wrongs their ancestors did to the ancestors of the people of africa. Do African people have a historical responsibility for the wrongs done by Algerian piracy or for destroying each other's empires? > A inter-continental power grid and energy collaboration is a win win for everybody. It's really not when the most basic things already don't work in said countries. You can see the European CoVid-19 help to Tanzania for a little sneak preview.

hackeraccount 6y ago

"Energy directly translates to wealth, wealth translates to stability." Is that true? It's not hard to think of energy poor countries that are poor or energy rich ones that are poor. Stability is an ambiguous thing but it seems like it's easier to make the the argument that stability causes wealth or instability causes poverty then the opposite.