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Having confidence in your ability to do things and trying them is good. Doing pointless work because you were too proud to ask isn't. Juniors more often than no

by brmgb 6y ago

Having confidence in your ability to do things and trying them is good. Doing pointless work because you were too proud to ask isn't. Juniors more often than not tend to err on the second side. There is a lot of value in being humble and asking. You will probably grow faster if you ask too much than too little. People who keep asking the same things are the real annoyance. Also seniors who resent helping juniors shouldn't be seniors. They shouldn't be there at all actually.

majkinetor 6y ago
You are making this up mate.... who said anything about resenting ? Is this really discussion or some usual millennial shenanigans. Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Failure (in your words a "pointless work") is a part of the process. I guess instant gratification generation cant fathom that. So black and white here - there are worlds between 1 hour and infinity FFS.
- brmgb 6y ago
  > Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Sorry but so much machismo, so little engineering culture here. > Failure (in your words a "pointless work") is a part of the process. No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. This is hubris. Anything you do which could have been avoided is a cost that shouldn't be there. It is the opposite of proper engineering. > Baby sitting Providing guidance is not baby sitting. If you can't properly deal with less experienced people including making them confident enough that they don't pester you, you have no business being a senior member of the team because that's what distinguish the job from just being a productive junior member.
  - majkinetor 6y ago
    > No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. You are making this up again. Who is "everybody" and how they know? To know, you must get involved, the people minds are not projected into mine while I walk around or eat soup. If I get constantly involved in junior level shit (like every claimed hour x N juniors == constantly) , why am I here and how will junior become something else, and how will I progress into better engineer (hint: not by repeating hello world patterns, but buy doing real world "macho" stuff as you say it) ? This even exists in animal world mate, first time rat mothers are too accommodating and their pups are easy pray for predators. > Providing guidance is not baby sitting. I am not against providing guidance, but what you talk about is not that. Sorry, but if you behave that way, you are baby sitter and you are making community around you the kindergarten, which is detrimental to profession.

by brmgb 6y ago

majkinetor 6y ago

You are making this up mate.... who said anything about resenting ? Is this really discussion or some usual millennial shenanigans. Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Failure (in your words a "pointless work") is a part of the process. I guess instant gratification generation cant fathom that. So black and white here - there are worlds between 1 hour and infinity FFS.

brmgb 6y ago
> Baby sitting should not be part of any serious work. If you do that, better go into nursery and let the real engineers do the job. Sorry but so much machismo, so little engineering culture here. > Failure (in your words a "pointless work") is a part of the process. No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. This is hubris. Anything you do which could have been avoided is a cost that shouldn't be there. It is the opposite of proper engineering. > Baby sitting Providing guidance is not baby sitting. If you can't properly deal with less experienced people including making them confident enough that they don't pester you, you have no business being a senior member of the team because that's what distinguish the job from just being a productive junior member.
- majkinetor 6y ago
  > No, failing when everyone knew for good reasons and experience you were going to fail is not part of the process. You are making this up again. Who is "everybody" and how they know? To know, you must get involved, the people minds are not projected into mine while I walk around or eat soup. If I get constantly involved in junior level shit (like every claimed hour x N juniors == constantly) , why am I here and how will junior become something else, and how will I progress into better engineer (hint: not by repeating hello world patterns, but buy doing real world "macho" stuff as you say it) ? This even exists in animal world mate, first time rat mothers are too accommodating and their pups are easy pray for predators. > Providing guidance is not baby sitting. I am not against providing guidance, but what you talk about is not that. Sorry, but if you behave that way, you are baby sitter and you are making community around you the kindergarten, which is detrimental to profession.