Being half-dutch, I wouldn't say fluent. Have you actually been to those countries, are are you just going by travellers you met? Even in Holland, which has an

Being half-dutch, I wouldn't say fluent. Have you actually been to those countries, are are you just going by travellers you met? Even in Holland, which has an extremely good English education from 7 or 8 has plenty of people who are good, but not fluent, and for the older generations it's much, much lower level, broken sentences, much smaller vocabulary. When I was in France last time, 3 years ago, still plenty who struggled after I'd exhausted my terrible French. I've also noticed the French tend to speak French in game voice chat where almost everyone else will be using English, apart from Italians and maybe Arabic or Turkish or something (I don't really recognise the language).