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While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your idea, couldn't you make the opposite case as well? Namely that since the AstraZeneca vaccine is mostly British,

While I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your idea, couldn't you make the opposite case as well? Namely that since the AstraZeneca vaccine is mostly British, the government of that country has an interest in hiding/downplaying potentially harmful side-effects? As far as I know by now a bunch of European countries have already suspended vaccination with the AstraZeneca vaccine. These include France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands - not really a politically homogeneous bunch.

Frypa 6y ago
This. I've lived in both Germany and UK and from my humble experience with both the government and the health standards, I think it's more likely the UK/AZ are downplaying this. It could be that they are right and the impact is minimal given that millions of people have been vaccinated. But I do believe the german version here more. The tory government can't be trusted.
- alecco 6y ago
  Are you saying the NHS is complicit in hiding deaths due to vaccines?
  - Frypa 6y ago
    Where did I mention the NHS? I'm referring to the government downplaying the impact of the vaccine. Which could be true, because millions of people got the vaccine and only a few had the clot issue. But I would rather believe the german version on this.
    - DanBC 6y ago
      Why do you believe there's a link to blood-clotting, and not to, say, broken dishwashers? People (especially on HN) like to say "correlation doesn't equal causation", but there isn't even a correlation here. There are not higher rates of blood clots.
  - heavenlyblue 6y ago
    I find so many of my British friends who are attacking the NHS-of-Germany (for being overly political in this scenario) while totally missing the point that British NHS could be doing exactly the same thing at the same time. That being said a lot of Europeans who would come to the UK would be appalled by the quality of NHS compared to other European countries. So I would argue that I would trust what German NHS says more than the British one.
s_dev 6y ago
>These include France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands - not really a politically homogeneous bunch. Litterally all members of the same economic and political Union. The EU.
- leto_ii 6y ago
  Sure, but the EU is not a federation. There are still many divergent interests between these nations. Take the Netherlands and Italy for example - not a lot of agreement between those two, usually that is. They do seem to agree on AstraZeneca though.

Frypa 6y ago

This. I've lived in both Germany and UK and from my humble experience with both the government and the health standards, I think it's more likely the UK/AZ are downplaying this. It could be that they are right and the impact is minimal given that millions of people have been vaccinated. But I do believe the german version here more. The tory government can't be trusted.

alecco 6y ago
Are you saying the NHS is complicit in hiding deaths due to vaccines?
- Frypa 6y ago
  Where did I mention the NHS? I'm referring to the government downplaying the impact of the vaccine. Which could be true, because millions of people got the vaccine and only a few had the clot issue. But I would rather believe the german version on this.
  - DanBC 6y ago
    Why do you believe there's a link to blood-clotting, and not to, say, broken dishwashers? People (especially on HN) like to say "correlation doesn't equal causation", but there isn't even a correlation here. There are not higher rates of blood clots.
- heavenlyblue 6y ago
  I find so many of my British friends who are attacking the NHS-of-Germany (for being overly political in this scenario) while totally missing the point that British NHS could be doing exactly the same thing at the same time. That being said a lot of Europeans who would come to the UK would be appalled by the quality of NHS compared to other European countries. So I would argue that I would trust what German NHS says more than the British one.

s_dev 6y ago

>These include France, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands - not really a politically homogeneous bunch. Litterally all members of the same economic and political Union. The EU.

leto_ii 6y ago
Sure, but the EU is not a federation. There are still many divergent interests between these nations. Take the Netherlands and Italy for example - not a lot of agreement between those two, usually that is. They do seem to agree on AstraZeneca though.