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I've mentioned it in a comment in the previous thread but it's not completely unexpected and with no causal link. Adenovirus induced blood coagulation problems

by yread 6y ago

I've mentioned it in a comment in the previous thread but it's not completely unexpected and with no causal link. Adenovirus induced blood coagulation problems are known: Adenovirus-induced thrombocytopenia: the role of von Willebrand factor and P-selectin in mediating accelerated platelet clearance https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006497120417847 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S000649712... You can see the number of reported cases across Europe in the EUDRA Vigilance database (if you manage to get through the Oracle BI interface and if it doesn't error out) https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/research-development/pharmacovigilance/eudravigilance https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/human-regulatory/research-devel... I don't understand why AstraZeneca doesn't just say: yeah blood clots are a risk, incidence 1/100,000 and everyone can move on. Why does everything needs to be so politicized with this vaccine.

colechristensen 6y ago
>Why does everything needs to be so politicized with this vaccine It is politicized because it effects more or less everyone on the planet and people are setup to take popular things and turn them into polarizing issues for political power in politicians and social capital for ordinary people. This is how a whole lot of people seek out happiness, by being "right" in their social circles, especially in a way that shows them as superior to large groups of others who are "wrong". Social media preys intentionally or unintentionally on this human psychological vulnerability (can we get a CVE on the human psyche?) and every bit of media wants to sell you a compelling story so they stoke the flames of A/B conflicts. The mass psychology/mythology/philosophy of the day is based around this crap and will turn anything into a "political" issue and people just generally aren't well educated enough to think independently or evaluate situations rationally on their own so they allow their reason to be driven by systems which are evolutionarily dependent on preying on addictive human behavior.
- mikem170 6y ago
  Agreed. I add that the 24-hour news cycle is in it for the clicks, and they get lots of clicks selling fear. Risk assessment isn't one of our stong suits, either (human nature being what it is).
  - cutemonster 6y ago
    colechristensen wrote: > This is how a whole lot of people seek out happiness, by being "right" in their social circles, especially in a way that shows them as superior to large groups And apparently they do this instinctively, without reflecting about it or understanding what they're doing (they do it also when it gives a silly impression, at least on me). It's hardwired in the brain I'd think mikem170: > Risk assessment isn't one of our stong suits, either Long ago, in a hunter gatherer tribe, almost everything bad that you ever got to hear about, could happen to you too? So there was no need for the brain to get good at risk assessment -- just assuming that everything was "deadly dangerous" made sense, evolutionary? Doesn't scale up well, with news from the whole planet
thesausageking 6y ago
Does this mean there are potential risks of clots with the J&J vaccine as well?
amai 6y ago
So all other vaccines based on Adenoviruses should have the same side effect: - Johnson & Johnson (USA) - Sputnik V (Russland) - CanSino (China)

by yread 6y ago

colechristensen 6y ago

>Why does everything needs to be so politicized with this vaccine It is politicized because it effects more or less everyone on the planet and people are setup to take popular things and turn them into polarizing issues for political power in politicians and social capital for ordinary people. This is how a whole lot of people seek out happiness, by being "right" in their social circles, especially in a way that shows them as superior to large groups of others who are "wrong". Social media preys intentionally or unintentionally on this human psychological vulnerability (can we get a CVE on the human psyche?) and every bit of media wants to sell you a compelling story so they stoke the flames of A/B conflicts. The mass psychology/mythology/philosophy of the day is based around this crap and will turn anything into a "political" issue and people just generally aren't well educated enough to think independently or evaluate situations rationally on their own so they allow their reason to be driven by systems which are evolutionarily dependent on preying on addictive human behavior.

mikem170 6y ago
Agreed. I add that the 24-hour news cycle is in it for the clicks, and they get lots of clicks selling fear. Risk assessment isn't one of our stong suits, either (human nature being what it is).
- cutemonster 6y ago
  colechristensen wrote: > This is how a whole lot of people seek out happiness, by being "right" in their social circles, especially in a way that shows them as superior to large groups And apparently they do this instinctively, without reflecting about it or understanding what they're doing (they do it also when it gives a silly impression, at least on me). It's hardwired in the brain I'd think mikem170: > Risk assessment isn't one of our stong suits, either Long ago, in a hunter gatherer tribe, almost everything bad that you ever got to hear about, could happen to you too? So there was no need for the brain to get good at risk assessment -- just assuming that everything was "deadly dangerous" made sense, evolutionary? Doesn't scale up well, with news from the whole planet

thesausageking 6y ago

Does this mean there are potential risks of clots with the J&J vaccine as well?

amai 6y ago

So all other vaccines based on Adenoviruses should have the same side effect: - Johnson & Johnson (USA) - Sputnik V (Russland) - CanSino (China)