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The ethical issue is that the people dying from COVID and the people who might have an adverse reaction from the vaccination are not the same people. If mostly

by xgb84j 6y ago

The ethical issue is that the people dying from COVID and the people who might have an adverse reaction from the vaccination are not the same people. If mostly old people die from COVID but the adverse reaction of the vaccine is independent of age, then for very young people the risk of an adverse reaction of the vaccination might outweigh the risk of permanent damage from COVID.

TheCoelacanth 6y ago
But if these reactions are a result of the vaccine, it has to be at an extremely low rate of people vaccinated. Even the small rate of death from COVID for young people is going to be higher than that risk.
- severino 6y ago
  > Even the small rate of death from COVID for young people is going to be higher than that risk. But it doesn't mean that you will surely get COVID if you refuse to get a shot. Also, some people claim the vaccines are not very effective against some variants such as the South African one. So it means you can get vaccinated, suffer some serious side effects, and once you are recovered, get COVID.
  - drran 6y ago
    Can you use numbers for probabilities, then multiply them by population, please? 4000 people died between your message and mine.
ralfn 6y ago
Yeah. As someone not in any risk group I will prefer the Pfizer or Moderna one. I'll be happy to get the Janssen one or even the Sputnik, but if the vaccine they offer me is AZ then I will refuse. And not just because of the obviously higher risk associated, but also because it appears not to be effective against the new strains. (Especially the new South Africa strain). Unlike for example the Janssen vaccine (goes by their parent company of Johnson and Johnson in the US) which was actually validated in South Africa or the rna ones which are just a technical masterpiece. Keep in mind that the real shortage of vaccines is production locations right now. And the type of production of the Janssen, AZ and the Sputnik vaccine is all similar. So why even produce more of the worst vaccine in any of these locations.
- hef19898 6y ago
  Sputnik is not approved, manufacturers are cooperating for all the other vaccines already. Regarding the strains, all vaccines are less effective against the South African one.
  - ptaipale 6y ago
    ... less effective, but still effective.
- severino 6y ago
  > Yeah. As someone not in any risk group I will prefer the Pfizer or Moderna one. I'll be happy to get the Janssen one or even the Sputnik, but if the vaccine they offer me is AZ then I will refuse. Maybe they won't let you know, to avoid people refusing to get the AZ "vaccine". How long until you can buy it? This way it's not a (possibly corrupt) politician deciding which corporation will make the stuff that gets into your body.

by xgb84j 6y ago

TheCoelacanth 6y ago

But if these reactions are a result of the vaccine, it has to be at an extremely low rate of people vaccinated. Even the small rate of death from COVID for young people is going to be higher than that risk.

severino 6y ago
> Even the small rate of death from COVID for young people is going to be higher than that risk. But it doesn't mean that you will surely get COVID if you refuse to get a shot. Also, some people claim the vaccines are not very effective against some variants such as the South African one. So it means you can get vaccinated, suffer some serious side effects, and once you are recovered, get COVID.
- drran 6y ago
  Can you use numbers for probabilities, then multiply them by population, please? 4000 people died between your message and mine.

ralfn 6y ago

Yeah. As someone not in any risk group I will prefer the Pfizer or Moderna one. I'll be happy to get the Janssen one or even the Sputnik, but if the vaccine they offer me is AZ then I will refuse. And not just because of the obviously higher risk associated, but also because it appears not to be effective against the new strains. (Especially the new South Africa strain). Unlike for example the Janssen vaccine (goes by their parent company of Johnson and Johnson in the US) which was actually validated in South Africa or the rna ones which are just a technical masterpiece. Keep in mind that the real shortage of vaccines is production locations right now. And the type of production of the Janssen, AZ and the Sputnik vaccine is all similar. So why even produce more of the worst vaccine in any of these locations.

hef19898 6y ago
Sputnik is not approved, manufacturers are cooperating for all the other vaccines already. Regarding the strains, all vaccines are less effective against the South African one.
- ptaipale 6y ago
  ... less effective, but still effective.
severino 6y ago
> Yeah. As someone not in any risk group I will prefer the Pfizer or Moderna one. I'll be happy to get the Janssen one or even the Sputnik, but if the vaccine they offer me is AZ then I will refuse. Maybe they won't let you know, to avoid people refusing to get the AZ "vaccine". How long until you can buy it? This way it's not a (possibly corrupt) politician deciding which corporation will make the stuff that gets into your body.