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The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. This has influenced public opinion in NL quite

The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. This has influenced public opinion in NL quite a bit ( in DE too I suspect ). I can read in the local comment sections that people want to decline the AZ vaccine as they don't trust it, and it is only 60% effective. They would rather have Pfizer, even Sputnik or rather no vacination at all than AZ. These commenters seem quite hostile to AZ and the UK for that matter. And these comments are from before the clotting allegations. This is and has been quite a contra-productive negotiation strategy from the EU commission, directly endangering public health in my humbe opinion.

libertine 6y ago
It's funny because on the other way around it seems like the British Government did precisely the opposite by selling this vaccine as a prime example of British superiority and why "Brexit makes sense". You're criticizing EU commission for transparently expose the shortcomings of this private company, but you seem to forget what this wave of what apparently are thousands of "internet specialists" that know better then independent regulator bodies for medicines. Yes, this isn't EMA (that British propaganda painted as a slow and incompetent agency) - it's each country own regulator that have been responsible for the safety of millions of citizens, and they have been doing a pretty good job for many, many years. This isn't a joint operation. It's scientists expressing their concern about these cases which are anything but normal. Or now, every single EU country regulator (including Norway) are all incompetent, including the doctors who reported these cases and are following closely their development? They're all in this conspiracy to put down AZ? I mean people rightfully criticize anti-vaxxers, but trust me, this bullshit attitude is just the same as the anti-vaxxers. It's blind fanaticism towards a vaccine, that even science should be disregarded, exactly the extreme opposite of anti-vaxxes.
zajio1am 6y ago
> The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. AZ was considered less trustworthy than Pfizer or Moderna vaccines several months before that due to irregularities in phase 3 clinical trials (original dosage leads to ~62% efficacy, while inadvertently given half-dose to a part of test subject leads to higher efficacy): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Conflicts between AZ and EU commission seems silly compared to that and IMHO lead more to discreditation of Ursula von der Leyen.
detaro 6y ago
> The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. source? Yes, there is some negative opinion about this, but at least in Germany it's much more based on media citing "government sources" and general FUD tactics than anything the commission has said.

libertine 6y ago

It's funny because on the other way around it seems like the British Government did precisely the opposite by selling this vaccine as a prime example of British superiority and why "Brexit makes sense". You're criticizing EU commission for transparently expose the shortcomings of this private company, but you seem to forget what this wave of what apparently are thousands of "internet specialists" that know better then independent regulator bodies for medicines. Yes, this isn't EMA (that British propaganda painted as a slow and incompetent agency) - it's each country own regulator that have been responsible for the safety of millions of citizens, and they have been doing a pretty good job for many, many years. This isn't a joint operation. It's scientists expressing their concern about these cases which are anything but normal. Or now, every single EU country regulator (including Norway) are all incompetent, including the doctors who reported these cases and are following closely their development? They're all in this conspiracy to put down AZ? I mean people rightfully criticize anti-vaxxers, but trust me, this bullshit attitude is just the same as the anti-vaxxers. It's blind fanaticism towards a vaccine, that even science should be disregarded, exactly the extreme opposite of anti-vaxxes.

zajio1am 6y ago

> The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. AZ was considered less trustworthy than Pfizer or Moderna vaccines several months before that due to irregularities in phase 3 clinical trials (original dosage leads to ~62% efficacy, while inadvertently given half-dose to a part of test subject leads to higher efficacy): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32623-4/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... Conflicts between AZ and EU commission seems silly compared to that and IMHO lead more to discreditation of Ursula von der Leyen.

detaro 6y ago

> The EU commission has framed AZ as not trustworthy from the moment the first delivery targets could not be met. source? Yes, there is some negative opinion about this, but at least in Germany it's much more based on media citing "government sources" and general FUD tactics than anything the commission has said.