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Ummmm....we can wait and get another vaccine? The vaccine is done on HEALTHY people, we're not talking about meds on terminal stage cancer patients with nothing

Ummmm....we can wait and get another vaccine? The vaccine is done on HEALTHY people, we're not talking about meds on terminal stage cancer patients with nothing to lose.

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totalZero 6y ago
You can also just expose yourself to the virus and build immunity that way. Up to you.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  Nope. They are options, like quarantine, masks, different vaccines. It's not "this vaccine right now or death." The most sensible thing is to investigate this, maybe more without the vaccine died from thrombosis, but need to see.
- Broken_Hippo 6y ago
  THat works great if you don't die. That doesn't work so great if you don't die and have lifelong complications, though. It doesn't work so great if you get it and kill your child/grandmother either. It doesn't work so well if you have to catch the virus multiple times to have immunity either (folks aren't always immune after catching it). Not to mention the unknowns with mutations of the virus. It is seriously much better to try to avoid catching the virus at all. The virus means you might be ok... or you might die, or you might have a lifetime of suffering that you wouldn't get with a vaccine.
  - ArkanExplorer 6y ago
    You can calculate the risk for yourself, based on data from the UK: https://qcovid.org/Calculation https://qcovid.org/Calculation eg. 30 year old healthy white male: 1 in 7,092 risk of hospitalisation, 1 in 250,000 risk of death. By contrast the risk of death from anything for a 30 year old male in the UK is 1 in 1,215: http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html Even taking a healthy 80 year old male, the risk of death from COVID is 1 in 275, whereas the annual risk of death from anything is 1 in 15.
    - angry_octet 6y ago
      I thought this bullshit was done with months ago? - Death is not the only bad outcome. Many otherwise healthy younger people have experienced months of debilitating sickness, in addition to weeks of the worst flu you've ever had. - You can pass it on to people less fortunate than yourself, who can't take weeks off work, and (in some countries) may not have health insurance, and might be at higher risk of death or morbidity. - You're burdening a stretched health system, literally preventing other people (or even yourself) from getting life saving treatment. - You're stopping me and everyone else from going to the pub.
    - rleigh 6y ago
      You also need to bear in mind that it's much more subtle than the "risk of death". If you're vaccinated, the symptoms and complications are greatly reduced even in younger age groups. So a small risk is reduced to a tiny risk. But it's not just about the risk to the individual. It's about the risk to the population as a whole. Both of these risks need to be balanced. While the vaccine might not /appear/ to be worth it at a young age, by getting vaccinated and blocking the transmission of the virus you are protecting the population at large. From that perspective, not getting vaccinated is actually very selfish (using the exact meaning of the word). People need to look at both the personal and societal aspects of the vaccination strategy. There will be social pressure to be vaccinated because it's not just about you, it's about everyone, and if we are to reopen society and get back to normal, then the expectation is that nearly all of us will need to get vaccinated.
    - blub 6y ago
      I bet the risks for flu are even lower than that and I still get the vaccine every year like clockwork. Because having the disease sucks and can leave you with long-term sequelae. The fact that we have insufficiently tested vaccines does make the decision harder.
    - Broken_Hippo 6y ago
      As others have said, there is more risk than just death. I don't really want more of a chance to have a poor quality of life for the rest of my life. The vaccine greatly reduces the chances that I have any of these things. Or heck, it even greatly reduces the chance that I'll have a week or two of misery.
fasteddie31003 6y ago
Ummmm... I already have been vaccinated and it feels amazing not having a fear of death over me. Guess what. I'm going on vacation to a beach in a few weeks because you know, science.
- onetimemanytime 6y ago
  I hope not, but those can be famous last words. Even if AZ works as marketed, it's no where near 100%. Then we have different strains
  - fasteddie31003 6y ago
    Nothing is going to ever be 100% safe. Live your life how you want, but I'm personally fine with a little risk and live a more fulfilling life with more life experiences. I ride a motorcycle. It's defiantly not safe, but I've had so many great memories on it that I am fine with the risk.
    - totalZero 6y ago
      Plenty of motorcyclists forget to keep the rubber side down, get hurt, then continue riding after recuperating from injuries. Still, the consequences for those unfortunate riders can stay with them throughout life. Ride safe.
    - potta_coffee 6y ago
      I rode my motorcycle to the burger shack, unvaccinated, without a helmet, where I doublfisted cheeseburgers and had a large chocolate shake. Life is for living indeed.
  - mikem170 6y ago
    What you said about different strains has never been more than click-bait and conjecture. Please stopping spreading this, people are scared enough already. This is not how t-cell immunity and coronaviruses work [0]. From an article titled "Lab studies suggest Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant" I quote: "While the blood serum samples produced less neutralizing antibody activity, it was still enough to neutralize the virus, they wrote in a letter to the journal. This is in line with other studies. And it's well within what is seen with other viruses, one of the researchers said." [1] [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+immunity+from+other+coronaviruses https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+immunity+from+other+co... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-variant/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-a...

Ummmm....we can wait and get another vaccine? The vaccine is done on HEALTHY people, we're not talking about meds on terminal stage cancer patients with nothing to lose.

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totalZero 6y ago

You can also just expose yourself to the virus and build immunity that way. Up to you.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
Nope. They are options, like quarantine, masks, different vaccines. It's not "this vaccine right now or death." The most sensible thing is to investigate this, maybe more without the vaccine died from thrombosis, but need to see.
Broken_Hippo 6y ago
THat works great if you don't die. That doesn't work so great if you don't die and have lifelong complications, though. It doesn't work so great if you get it and kill your child/grandmother either. It doesn't work so well if you have to catch the virus multiple times to have immunity either (folks aren't always immune after catching it). Not to mention the unknowns with mutations of the virus. It is seriously much better to try to avoid catching the virus at all. The virus means you might be ok... or you might die, or you might have a lifetime of suffering that you wouldn't get with a vaccine.
- ArkanExplorer 6y ago
  You can calculate the risk for yourself, based on data from the UK: https://qcovid.org/Calculation https://qcovid.org/Calculation eg. 30 year old healthy white male: 1 in 7,092 risk of hospitalisation, 1 in 250,000 risk of death. By contrast the risk of death from anything for a 30 year old male in the UK is 1 in 1,215: http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html http://www.bandolier.org.uk/booth/Risk/dyingage.html Even taking a healthy 80 year old male, the risk of death from COVID is 1 in 275, whereas the annual risk of death from anything is 1 in 15.
  - angry_octet 6y ago
    I thought this bullshit was done with months ago? - Death is not the only bad outcome. Many otherwise healthy younger people have experienced months of debilitating sickness, in addition to weeks of the worst flu you've ever had. - You can pass it on to people less fortunate than yourself, who can't take weeks off work, and (in some countries) may not have health insurance, and might be at higher risk of death or morbidity. - You're burdening a stretched health system, literally preventing other people (or even yourself) from getting life saving treatment. - You're stopping me and everyone else from going to the pub.
  - rleigh 6y ago
    You also need to bear in mind that it's much more subtle than the "risk of death". If you're vaccinated, the symptoms and complications are greatly reduced even in younger age groups. So a small risk is reduced to a tiny risk. But it's not just about the risk to the individual. It's about the risk to the population as a whole. Both of these risks need to be balanced. While the vaccine might not /appear/ to be worth it at a young age, by getting vaccinated and blocking the transmission of the virus you are protecting the population at large. From that perspective, not getting vaccinated is actually very selfish (using the exact meaning of the word). People need to look at both the personal and societal aspects of the vaccination strategy. There will be social pressure to be vaccinated because it's not just about you, it's about everyone, and if we are to reopen society and get back to normal, then the expectation is that nearly all of us will need to get vaccinated.
  - blub 6y ago
    I bet the risks for flu are even lower than that and I still get the vaccine every year like clockwork. Because having the disease sucks and can leave you with long-term sequelae. The fact that we have insufficiently tested vaccines does make the decision harder.
  - Broken_Hippo 6y ago
    As others have said, there is more risk than just death. I don't really want more of a chance to have a poor quality of life for the rest of my life. The vaccine greatly reduces the chances that I have any of these things. Or heck, it even greatly reduces the chance that I'll have a week or two of misery.

fasteddie31003 6y ago

Ummmm... I already have been vaccinated and it feels amazing not having a fear of death over me. Guess what. I'm going on vacation to a beach in a few weeks because you know, science.

onetimemanytime 6y ago
I hope not, but those can be famous last words. Even if AZ works as marketed, it's no where near 100%. Then we have different strains
- fasteddie31003 6y ago
  Nothing is going to ever be 100% safe. Live your life how you want, but I'm personally fine with a little risk and live a more fulfilling life with more life experiences. I ride a motorcycle. It's defiantly not safe, but I've had so many great memories on it that I am fine with the risk.
  - totalZero 6y ago
    Plenty of motorcyclists forget to keep the rubber side down, get hurt, then continue riding after recuperating from injuries. Still, the consequences for those unfortunate riders can stay with them throughout life. Ride safe.
  - potta_coffee 6y ago
    I rode my motorcycle to the burger shack, unvaccinated, without a helmet, where I doublfisted cheeseburgers and had a large chocolate shake. Life is for living indeed.
- mikem170 6y ago
  What you said about different strains has never been more than click-bait and conjecture. Please stopping spreading this, people are scared enough already. This is not how t-cell immunity and coronaviruses work [0]. From an article titled "Lab studies suggest Pfizer, Moderna vaccines can protect against coronavirus variant" I quote: "While the blood serum samples produced less neutralizing antibody activity, it was still enough to neutralize the virus, they wrote in a letter to the journal. This is in line with other studies. And it's well within what is seen with other viruses, one of the researchers said." [1] [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+immunity+from+other+coronaviruses https://www.google.com/search?q=covid+immunity+from+other+co... [1] https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-africa-variant/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/17/health/pfizer-vaccine-south-a...