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Same thought, I think this is part of political cover for the failing (in comparison) vaccination effort's in continental Europe. 'See, we were right not to va

Same thought, I think this is part of political cover for the failing (in comparison) vaccination effort's in continental Europe. 'See, we were right not to vaccinate this fast' For the downvoters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/15/evidence-oxford-vaccine-blood-clots-data-causal-links https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/15/eviden...

mns 6y ago
If someone would say this about COVID, they would be downvoted into oblivion for spreading unfounded conspiracy theories. It's already 6 countries in the EU that reported issues until now.
- high_derivative 6y ago
  The difference being that there is no evidence yet to point towards vaccinations causing these, while there is plenty evidence for covid. Further, there is plenty of evidence for the lost lives by NOT vaccinating faster.
- hef19898 6y ago
  Yeah, and I rightly so if you ask me. AZ seems so to get all the heat in the press. I really wonder why, but as soon as you start looking at the numbers, there never seems to be something to it. First it was efficiany with elderly in the study, were the numbers were totally misunderstood. Then it was overall effectiveness, then prevention of severe cases. The list goes on. In the meanwhile, the press is reporting every single rash people get with AZ. EDIT: Just checked, they found 7 cases of thrombosis in the brain, out of 1.6 million vaccinated people. Well, we'll see how that develops.
  - mns 6y ago
    So we've been in a 5 month lockdown already in Germany, all of it to stop the spread of the virus with huge costs to the country, and now the comment that I replied to is saying that "I think this is part of political cover for the failing". Meaning that Germany and the EU, which have been doing everything that they can to stop this, are now somehow involved in a political cover to get some sort of revenge on the UK/AstraZeneca at the cost of the people that would be affected by COVID?
    - high_derivative 6y ago
      But they did not do everything they can. They did not expedite AZ vaccine approval, they are messing up the rollout, they tried to negotiate prices instead of securing vaccines at all costs. They made a whole theatre about AZ deliveries and almost created an international crisis around Ireland..but no, no political aspect to it, none at all.. I don't think they are trying to get revenge. They are trying to cover for their own failings. By any reasonable means, the vaccine rollout in continental Europe in relation to the wealth and logistics available compared to US/UK is a complete failure.
      - detaro 6y ago
        so how does further slowing vaccine progress, making it even less likely they'll meet the adjusted goals and anouncements, "cover for their failings", especially if there is a good chance it'll turn out it was unnecessary? At least right now people's reaction for sure isn't "oh too bad then, not your fault".
        finiteseries 6y ago
        AZ vaccine is flawed => slow rollout isn’t bad after all, maybe even a good thing in the end. Goals and announcements have already been missed, and it turning out to be unnecessary can be muddied, or buried. Assuming this is indeed politics, there are a lot of positives to this type of move in an already shit situation.
    - hef19898 6y ago
      As I said, no idea whether or not something is wrong with the AZ vaccine. And yes, governments are doing everything they can. And the screw up with vaccinations. No idea why, because I don't have all the details, but maybe AZ is just coming in time to have been 1) a good scape goat early on when one was needed during the frustration with vaccine deliveries 2) bad at PR 3) earned a bad rep and now everybody is over cautious. And public / media pressure isn't really helping.
    - bobcostas55 6y ago
  - danpalmer 6y ago
    The AZ vaccine is also the only not-for-profit vaccine.
lm28469 6y ago
> We're too slow so we're going to ban half of our vaccine supply Am I missing something, how's that supposed to help ?

mns 6y ago

If someone would say this about COVID, they would be downvoted into oblivion for spreading unfounded conspiracy theories. It's already 6 countries in the EU that reported issues until now.

high_derivative 6y ago
The difference being that there is no evidence yet to point towards vaccinations causing these, while there is plenty evidence for covid. Further, there is plenty of evidence for the lost lives by NOT vaccinating faster.
hef19898 6y ago
Yeah, and I rightly so if you ask me. AZ seems so to get all the heat in the press. I really wonder why, but as soon as you start looking at the numbers, there never seems to be something to it. First it was efficiany with elderly in the study, were the numbers were totally misunderstood. Then it was overall effectiveness, then prevention of severe cases. The list goes on. In the meanwhile, the press is reporting every single rash people get with AZ. EDIT: Just checked, they found 7 cases of thrombosis in the brain, out of 1.6 million vaccinated people. Well, we'll see how that develops.
- mns 6y ago
  So we've been in a 5 month lockdown already in Germany, all of it to stop the spread of the virus with huge costs to the country, and now the comment that I replied to is saying that "I think this is part of political cover for the failing". Meaning that Germany and the EU, which have been doing everything that they can to stop this, are now somehow involved in a political cover to get some sort of revenge on the UK/AstraZeneca at the cost of the people that would be affected by COVID?
  - high_derivative 6y ago
    But they did not do everything they can. They did not expedite AZ vaccine approval, they are messing up the rollout, they tried to negotiate prices instead of securing vaccines at all costs. They made a whole theatre about AZ deliveries and almost created an international crisis around Ireland..but no, no political aspect to it, none at all.. I don't think they are trying to get revenge. They are trying to cover for their own failings. By any reasonable means, the vaccine rollout in continental Europe in relation to the wealth and logistics available compared to US/UK is a complete failure.
    - detaro 6y ago
      so how does further slowing vaccine progress, making it even less likely they'll meet the adjusted goals and anouncements, "cover for their failings", especially if there is a good chance it'll turn out it was unnecessary? At least right now people's reaction for sure isn't "oh too bad then, not your fault".
      - finiteseries 6y ago
        AZ vaccine is flawed => slow rollout isn’t bad after all, maybe even a good thing in the end. Goals and announcements have already been missed, and it turning out to be unnecessary can be muddied, or buried. Assuming this is indeed politics, there are a lot of positives to this type of move in an already shit situation.
  - hef19898 6y ago
    As I said, no idea whether or not something is wrong with the AZ vaccine. And yes, governments are doing everything they can. And the screw up with vaccinations. No idea why, because I don't have all the details, but maybe AZ is just coming in time to have been 1) a good scape goat early on when one was needed during the frustration with vaccine deliveries 2) bad at PR 3) earned a bad rep and now everybody is over cautious. And public / media pressure isn't really helping.
  - bobcostas55 6y ago
- danpalmer 6y ago
  The AZ vaccine is also the only not-for-profit vaccine.

lm28469 6y ago

> We're too slow so we're going to ban half of our vaccine supply Am I missing something, how's that supposed to help ?