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8000 engineers per year? Assuming four years to graduate, doesn't that imply about 32k engineering students? If you add up all three UM campuses there are abo

8000 engineers per year? Assuming four years to graduate, doesn't that imply about 32k engineering students? If you add up all three UM campuses there are about 58k students. Engineers make up more than half of all students? I find that hard to believe for a non-engineering school (ala MIT or GT).

mrgordon 15y ago
Exactly. I've read sources that claim there are only 11,000 computer science graduates nationally per year. Here's the source: http://www.peacepowerlove.com/archives/5187 http://www.peacepowerlove.com/archives/5187
- misterbee 15y ago
  If you include other sources of software professionals: math, applied math, physics, and engineering, you'll probably get closer to 50,000 per year. Add in non-college and college dropout and you'll get even more. (The "8,000 from one school in one year" estimate is too high, though, yes.)
bugsy 15y ago
Great catch. Here's their statistics on graduation rates by degree. It's a few years old but the latest isn't going to be all that different. http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrsbystudyfield_10.pdf http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrsbystudyfi... Aerospace engineering - 102 Biomedical engineering - 48 Chemical engineering - 68 Civil Engineering - 50 Earth Systems Engineering - 1 Engineering - 9 Engineering Physics - 10 Financial Engineering - 16 Nuclear Engineering - 16 Now I'm going to guess none of the above degrees are the majors we are talking about for these startups, who are looking for software developers. More relevant: Computer Engineering - 84 Computer Science - 158 Electrical Engineering - 170 --- Total: 412 Maybe we should throw in all the Math, Physics, Linguistics and Music majors as well? Those are fields that are often sorted through for developers. It's a small number of each that goes into programming, but not insignificant. In any case, this is Ann Arbor only. Can the claim of 8000 engineering graduates per year be substantiated for the entire system. Seems unlikely, but we need more data, and we'd definitely have to be including every field that has any possible connection, perhaps someone had a statistic that said there were 7002 STEM degrees granted system wide per year, and that turned into "around 8000" and then "8000"? Ah, here is a year by year summary and one that puts all forms of engineering in one category: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrssummary_10.pdf http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrssummary_1... year - # eng degrees 2006 - 1034 2007 - 1065 2008 - 1150 2009 - 1198 2010 - 1254 That is undergraduate ONLY. There are also on that list comparable numbers of graduate degrees, so double the number for all degrees altogether: 1254 + 1035 = 2289 engineering degrees conferred in 2010. It's kind of amazing that they have the same number of grad students as undergrad, that means there is a near 1:1 ratio between grad students and undergrad, so each undergrad theoretically could be taught privately by a single grad student tutor if they wanted. So to hit 8000 we need only 3 other U. Michigan campuses the same size as Ann Arbor.

mrgordon 15y ago

Exactly. I've read sources that claim there are only 11,000 computer science graduates nationally per year. Here's the source: http://www.peacepowerlove.com/archives/5187 http://www.peacepowerlove.com/archives/5187

misterbee 15y ago
If you include other sources of software professionals: math, applied math, physics, and engineering, you'll probably get closer to 50,000 per year. Add in non-college and college dropout and you'll get even more. (The "8,000 from one school in one year" estimate is too high, though, yes.)

bugsy 15y ago

Great catch. Here's their statistics on graduation rates by degree. It's a few years old but the latest isn't going to be all that different. http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrsbystudyfield_10.pdf http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrsbystudyfi... Aerospace engineering - 102 Biomedical engineering - 48 Chemical engineering - 68 Civil Engineering - 50 Earth Systems Engineering - 1 Engineering - 9 Engineering Physics - 10 Financial Engineering - 16 Nuclear Engineering - 16 Now I'm going to guess none of the above degrees are the majors we are talking about for these startups, who are looking for software developers. More relevant: Computer Engineering - 84 Computer Science - 158 Electrical Engineering - 170 --- Total: 412 Maybe we should throw in all the Math, Physics, Linguistics and Music majors as well? Those are fields that are often sorted through for developers. It's a small number of each that goes into programming, but not insignificant. In any case, this is Ann Arbor only. Can the claim of 8000 engineering graduates per year be substantiated for the entire system. Seems unlikely, but we need more data, and we'd definitely have to be including every field that has any possible connection, perhaps someone had a statistic that said there were 7002 STEM degrees granted system wide per year, and that turned into "around 8000" and then "8000"? Ah, here is a year by year summary and one that puts all forms of engineering in one category: http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrssummary_10.pdf http://sitemaker.umich.edu/obpinfo/files/umaa_degrssummary_1... year - # eng degrees 2006 - 1034 2007 - 1065 2008 - 1150 2009 - 1198 2010 - 1254 That is undergraduate ONLY. There are also on that list comparable numbers of graduate degrees, so double the number for all degrees altogether: 1254 + 1035 = 2289 engineering degrees conferred in 2010. It's kind of amazing that they have the same number of grad students as undergrad, that means there is a near 1:1 ratio between grad students and undergrad, so each undergrad theoretically could be taught privately by a single grad student tutor if they wanted. So to hit 8000 we need only 3 other U. Michigan campuses the same size as Ann Arbor.