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Okay, I get the idea here, but... my account is younger than that and I'm sort of miffed by the notion that my votes shouldn't count at all. Furthermore, having

by jaspax 6y ago

Okay, I get the idea here, but... my account is younger than that and I'm sort of miffed by the notion that my votes shouldn't count at all. Furthermore, having the cutoff date be in the past means that I could never earn that right regardless of how much I participated after that. I would be much more well-disposed to a view that only counts votes from accounts which are more than a year old, or some other criterion which reduces young and drive-by accounts, while still allowing people to eventually count as old-timers.

wheybags 6y ago
I upvoted this comment, but it doesn't count.
ninjin 6y ago
What I want is a news aggregator like HN but where I can control (possibly have it learnt) how to rank based on network effects. Preferably in an interpretable fashion if any machine learning gets involved. Heck, I would even be happy for it to be partially probabilistic to get me to “read across the aile” at times.
- nojito 6y ago
  You can already do that. Just click hide on posts you don’t want to see. The issue with having a model that does it for you is that your going to immediately start fighting against it and its decisions.
  - the_only_law 6y ago
    Hate to be the stereotypical pedantic HN commenter, but fwiw this normally works, I believe there's an exception with Ask HN posts where clicking "hide" will not fully hide it, at least last time I tried.
  - ninjin 6y ago
    Wait, have I been on HN since 2011 without realising this? There is nothing in the FAQ at least [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html I have always avoid pushing “hide” since I assumed a new submission would pop up at the bottom and I never wanted to go beyond the top 30 as I feared I would stay on the site for a bit too long.
- estaseuropano 6y ago
  So tiktok but for news?
  - TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
    Smart personalised and decentralised search with comment aggregation and sharing. It shows you what you're interested in, not what adtech, or social media barons, or VCs, think you should be reading for your own good. Or for "engagement." Something something echo chamber? Probably. But it's not as if we don't have those already.
- derekp7 6y ago
  I've thought about that, however I worry about it turning into what Facebook does and put you in an echo chamber (with the occasional "across the isle" item thrown in to "make you angry"). But I still like the idea, just not sure what the best implementation would be. Some ideas I've had include having multiple up/down vote buttons for different criteria -- one that says if you agree or not with the content, and another one that says if it is a well reasoned and interesting post. That way I can pull up things that people in my cohort think is a good post but also disagree with content wise. But this requires that people are reliable able to judge something fairly that goes against their view. Then I'd like to see "bubbles" that show which cohort(s) I belong to and which other ones are out there so I can choose which to read at any one time.
  - SamBam 6y ago
    "Aisle," both of you, like in the senate chambers.
  - thraway123412 6y ago
    It already is an echo chamber. Except that you have zero control over the content you see, so you're stuck in someone else's echo chamber. It can be really fucking frustrating, which is why I closed my main account after 8 years.
    - test1235 6y ago
      you're still here tho, so why close the account?
      - thraway123412 6y ago
        I don't really want to be here. This account will be gone too as soon as I close my browser. I won't make another one unless something very urgent comes up.
  - mikepurvis 6y ago
    Slashdot moderation has this, with separate voting for insightful, interesting, funny, etc, and the corresponding toggles on the view side if you want to prioritize or exclude particular categories.
- nend 6y ago
  I always thought HN (or reddit, youtube, etc), with a Bayesian filter would be interesting. I'm sure there's a good amount of obscure content that doesn't get appreciated because it never reaches the people that would enjoy it.
  - dang 6y ago
    That's certainly the case but how would a Bayesian filter help?
mstipetic 6y ago
Why do you care about a random view on a website?
cinntaile 6y ago
It probably started as a fun gimmick rather than an actual feature people are supposed to use?
platz 6y ago
Your vote counts on the main homepage. > a view that only counts votes from accounts which are more than a year old, or some other criterion which reduces young and drive-by accounts Are you sure you know what the motiviation for accounts older than 2008 is (are you sure it's reducing young/drive-by accounts?) Have you thought about what that motivation might be?
- jaspax 6y ago
  I assume that it's to filter for people who have been around a long time. If there's some other specific motive, I'd love to hear what it is.
  - platz 6y ago
    That's the what, not the why Also, nothing has been removed, only added. You can see more of the data which was hidden before.
  - tomhoward 6y ago
    It was an experimental feature slapped together by pg in 2009, and has been largely forgotten about ever since. The motive then was to see if there was any difference if you filtered out newer users. There wasn't then, just as there isn't now. Its continued existence is just a historical artefact. As far as I can see it's not linked from anywhere in the UI, and is only occasionally referenced in comments. Nothing to be miffed about!
Terretta 6y ago
Thing about things that happened before you is you can never be a person who experienced them. That said, could be implemented as a rolling decade. The term is “classic”. For cars that takes 25 years. Ten for tech seems fine.
- ianai 6y ago
  That would be accounts from 2011 and before.
  - app4soft 6y ago
    Still curious, what had happened to HN on Feb 13th, 2008? I just scrolled to its frontpage[0] and the top story was “Immediate social bonding between strangers is highly dependent on mimicry”[1]. Any other explanations why `https://news.ycombinator.com/classic https://news.ycombinator.com/classic` turned back to this date? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2008-02-13 https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2008-02-13 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=115094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=115094
    - derivagral 6y ago
      On google and wikipedia, HN's launch date is listed as "February 19, 2007". I presume this is to screen for that first ~year of accounts. Funny, since I remember lurking for years before making mine!
kzrdude 6y ago
Your vote counts in the "primary" ;). You are part of selecting stories for the main page. Overwhelmingly, "classic" voters will vote for things that are already visible on the regular main page.

by jaspax 6y ago

wheybags 6y ago

I upvoted this comment, but it doesn't count.

ninjin 6y ago

What I want is a news aggregator like HN but where I can control (possibly have it learnt) how to rank based on network effects. Preferably in an interpretable fashion if any machine learning gets involved. Heck, I would even be happy for it to be partially probabilistic to get me to “read across the aile” at times.

nojito 6y ago
You can already do that. Just click hide on posts you don’t want to see. The issue with having a model that does it for you is that your going to immediately start fighting against it and its decisions.
- the_only_law 6y ago
  Hate to be the stereotypical pedantic HN commenter, but fwiw this normally works, I believe there's an exception with Ask HN posts where clicking "hide" will not fully hide it, at least last time I tried.
- ninjin 6y ago
  Wait, have I been on HN since 2011 without realising this? There is nothing in the FAQ at least [1]. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html I have always avoid pushing “hide” since I assumed a new submission would pop up at the bottom and I never wanted to go beyond the top 30 as I feared I would stay on the site for a bit too long.
estaseuropano 6y ago
So tiktok but for news?
- TheOtherHobbes 6y ago
  Smart personalised and decentralised search with comment aggregation and sharing. It shows you what you're interested in, not what adtech, or social media barons, or VCs, think you should be reading for your own good. Or for "engagement." Something something echo chamber? Probably. But it's not as if we don't have those already.
derekp7 6y ago
I've thought about that, however I worry about it turning into what Facebook does and put you in an echo chamber (with the occasional "across the isle" item thrown in to "make you angry"). But I still like the idea, just not sure what the best implementation would be. Some ideas I've had include having multiple up/down vote buttons for different criteria -- one that says if you agree or not with the content, and another one that says if it is a well reasoned and interesting post. That way I can pull up things that people in my cohort think is a good post but also disagree with content wise. But this requires that people are reliable able to judge something fairly that goes against their view. Then I'd like to see "bubbles" that show which cohort(s) I belong to and which other ones are out there so I can choose which to read at any one time.
- SamBam 6y ago
  "Aisle," both of you, like in the senate chambers.
- thraway123412 6y ago
  It already is an echo chamber. Except that you have zero control over the content you see, so you're stuck in someone else's echo chamber. It can be really fucking frustrating, which is why I closed my main account after 8 years.
  - test1235 6y ago
    you're still here tho, so why close the account?
    - thraway123412 6y ago
      I don't really want to be here. This account will be gone too as soon as I close my browser. I won't make another one unless something very urgent comes up.
- mikepurvis 6y ago
  Slashdot moderation has this, with separate voting for insightful, interesting, funny, etc, and the corresponding toggles on the view side if you want to prioritize or exclude particular categories.
nend 6y ago
I always thought HN (or reddit, youtube, etc), with a Bayesian filter would be interesting. I'm sure there's a good amount of obscure content that doesn't get appreciated because it never reaches the people that would enjoy it.
- dang 6y ago
  That's certainly the case but how would a Bayesian filter help?

mstipetic 6y ago

Why do you care about a random view on a website?

cinntaile 6y ago

It probably started as a fun gimmick rather than an actual feature people are supposed to use?

platz 6y ago

Your vote counts on the main homepage. > a view that only counts votes from accounts which are more than a year old, or some other criterion which reduces young and drive-by accounts Are you sure you know what the motiviation for accounts older than 2008 is (are you sure it's reducing young/drive-by accounts?) Have you thought about what that motivation might be?

jaspax 6y ago
I assume that it's to filter for people who have been around a long time. If there's some other specific motive, I'd love to hear what it is.
- platz 6y ago
  That's the what, not the why Also, nothing has been removed, only added. You can see more of the data which was hidden before.
- tomhoward 6y ago
  It was an experimental feature slapped together by pg in 2009, and has been largely forgotten about ever since. The motive then was to see if there was any difference if you filtered out newer users. There wasn't then, just as there isn't now. Its continued existence is just a historical artefact. As far as I can see it's not linked from anywhere in the UI, and is only occasionally referenced in comments. Nothing to be miffed about!

Terretta 6y ago

Thing about things that happened before you is you can never be a person who experienced them. That said, could be implemented as a rolling decade. The term is “classic”. For cars that takes 25 years. Ten for tech seems fine.

ianai 6y ago
That would be accounts from 2011 and before.
- app4soft 6y ago
  Still curious, what had happened to HN on Feb 13th, 2008? I just scrolled to its frontpage[0] and the top story was “Immediate social bonding between strangers is highly dependent on mimicry”[1]. Any other explanations why `https://news.ycombinator.com/classic https://news.ycombinator.com/classic` turned back to this date? [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2008-02-13 https://news.ycombinator.com/front?day=2008-02-13 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=115094 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=115094
  - derivagral 6y ago
    On google and wikipedia, HN's launch date is listed as "February 19, 2007". I presume this is to screen for that first ~year of accounts. Funny, since I remember lurking for years before making mine!

kzrdude 6y ago

Your vote counts in the "primary" ;). You are part of selecting stories for the main page. Overwhelmingly, "classic" voters will vote for things that are already visible on the regular main page.