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> This is factually wrong, looks at CO2 emissions per capita, USA has carbon footprint double that of France. It's closer to 3x: USA 15.7 vs France 5.2 tonnes

> This is factually wrong, looks at CO2 emissions per capita, USA has carbon footprint double that of France. It's closer to 3x: USA 15.7 vs France 5.2 tonnes of CO2 per capita per year (2017, not accounting for other gasses that contribute to warming) [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_di...

bumby 6y ago
Any idea how much nuclear power has contributed to this discrepancy? I.e., if the US had the same per capita nuclear power generation as France, what would the numbers look like?
- curryst 6y ago
  I would expect our spread out nature to contribute to that a lot. We drive a lot (and often environmentally unfriendly vehicles). Our food chain also involves shipping food substantial distances (not sure how true that is of Europe).
  - zip1234 6y ago
    Sprawl takes a lot of resources to sustain
  - bumby 6y ago
    I wonder how much efficiency and resiliency are competing interests in the supply chain. From one perspective, consolidation creates a more efficient system due to economies of scale. On the other hand, distributed systems tend to be more reliable, but less efficient
- onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago
  I'd guess transportation plays a bigger role, but not sure. US emissions are ~29% transportation and ~27% electricty generation [1]. The US uses ~13x as much oil [2]. Natural Gas isn't particularly dirty. Coal and petroleum only make up 24% of power generation in the US [3]. Fossil fuels make up ~9% of electricity production in France [4]. [1] https://images.app.goo.gl/9YFsuN9vjkiiZnek9 https://images.app.goo.gl/9YFsuN9vjkiiZnek9 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consu... [3] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php#:~:text=The%20three%20major%20categories%20of,geothermal%2C%20and%20solar%20thermal%20energy https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-.... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_France#:~:text=The%20electricity%20sector%20in%20France,%25%20fossil%20fuels%20in%202016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_France#:...).
  - bumby 6y ago
    >Natural Gas isn't particularly dirty Just a small nit but the OP was referencing CO2. Natural gas is cleaner than other fossil fuels. “Clean” != low carbon (although it’s lower than other fossil fuels)

bumby 6y ago

Any idea how much nuclear power has contributed to this discrepancy? I.e., if the US had the same per capita nuclear power generation as France, what would the numbers look like?

curryst 6y ago
I would expect our spread out nature to contribute to that a lot. We drive a lot (and often environmentally unfriendly vehicles). Our food chain also involves shipping food substantial distances (not sure how true that is of Europe).
- zip1234 6y ago
  Sprawl takes a lot of resources to sustain
- bumby 6y ago
  I wonder how much efficiency and resiliency are competing interests in the supply chain. From one perspective, consolidation creates a more efficient system due to economies of scale. On the other hand, distributed systems tend to be more reliable, but less efficient
onlyrealcuzzo 6y ago
I'd guess transportation plays a bigger role, but not sure. US emissions are ~29% transportation and ~27% electricty generation [1]. The US uses ~13x as much oil [2]. Natural Gas isn't particularly dirty. Coal and petroleum only make up 24% of power generation in the US [3]. Fossil fuels make up ~9% of electricity production in France [4]. [1] https://images.app.goo.gl/9YFsuN9vjkiiZnek9 https://images.app.goo.gl/9YFsuN9vjkiiZnek9 [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consumption https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_oil_consu... [3] https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-in-the-us.php#:~:text=The%20three%20major%20categories%20of,geothermal%2C%20and%20solar%20thermal%20energy https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/electricity/electricity-.... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_France#:~:text=The%20electricity%20sector%20in%20France,%25%20fossil%20fuels%20in%202016 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electricity_sector_in_France#:...).
- bumby 6y ago
  >Natural Gas isn't particularly dirty Just a small nit but the OP was referencing CO2. Natural gas is cleaner than other fossil fuels. “Clean” != low carbon (although it’s lower than other fossil fuels)