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Simion314, If you would indulge another non-political poster. Playing devils advocate with and exploring your ps... >some big corporation What about a small o

Simion314, If you would indulge another non-political poster. Playing devils advocate with and exploring your ps... >some big corporation What about a small one? >lock you out, decide what you read, apps you install or brick your application Are these an abuse of power? Illegal? Unethical? Is it their right to do these things to maintain some focus? (The example here is often that one does not want profanity, sexual content, violence content where any children or family are involved - if that is acceptable to you, why not the above?) ps, I also hate it when software won't work without a 'security' handshake.

simion314 6y ago
I am for moderating stuff in general. So if you have a forum and want to ban politics or religious topic that is fine IMO. I would also be fine if Google or Apple would ban an application because it does something illegal or it's name/icon/description is offensive and it could "pollute" the store listing. I don't like when the giants try to ban some small applications because of user generated content but they never ban YouTube(remember the issues with pedos?) The issue I have with the giants is that this is not a "Free market", you have only 2 players that are smart enough to correctly play the "prisoner dilemma" so both win. Maybe in that political case they were right to ban that application but is still uncomfortable to know that 99% of mobile market is censored by the 2 giants. Conclusion: Moderating content on your website is fine, but banning legal apps or websites because should not be easy, there should be a police,judge or some other official request behind it at least.
- IndySun 6y ago
  Thank you. We disagree on little. However one should be careful with broad terms like' offence'. To whom do you allocate the task of deciding for you what is offensive, is the tricky part. The silicon corporates do move the goalposts to suit. Governments are not fair all the time. Where you are born impacts hugely on your life. And the laughably named 'free market' has the same flaws. All of these issues we are discussing will be alleviated, though not eradicated (impossible), the more we move towards an equal and fairer society.
salawat 6y ago
>I also hate it when software won't work without a 'security' handshake. You are in for a bad time unless you go full FLOSS. The days of shareware and freedom from stupid centralized license enforcement is long dead, sadly. Don't bother bringing that up on HN though. The Upton Sinclairism "It is difficult to get someone to understand that which their paycheck fepends on them not understanding" applies. Unless of course you're talking TLS, in which case that handshaking is cool, and responsible, and if done right transparent to the end user.
- simion314 6y ago
  FLOSS is great but not enough. There are more and more places where you need a smartphone and an application (or else you can't use a service or it will be 100 times more time consuming) IMO all smartphones should have an unlock code. it will be printed in the box you b ought the phone, if you use that you unlock your phone and can install FLOSS apps in it. (now the Apple fanboys will try to change my mind, I will not change my mind, some Android smartphones have a more simpler method to unlock side loading and Google is still full with money, in fact when you go to an official page for an app they link you to the Store and never found a page that gives you the installer.
  - fsflover 6y ago
    > IMO all smartphones should have an unlock code They should not be locked in the first place. GNU/Linux smartphones come to mind. (Anbox can be used for Android apps)

simion314 6y ago

I am for moderating stuff in general. So if you have a forum and want to ban politics or religious topic that is fine IMO. I would also be fine if Google or Apple would ban an application because it does something illegal or it's name/icon/description is offensive and it could "pollute" the store listing. I don't like when the giants try to ban some small applications because of user generated content but they never ban YouTube(remember the issues with pedos?) The issue I have with the giants is that this is not a "Free market", you have only 2 players that are smart enough to correctly play the "prisoner dilemma" so both win. Maybe in that political case they were right to ban that application but is still uncomfortable to know that 99% of mobile market is censored by the 2 giants. Conclusion: Moderating content on your website is fine, but banning legal apps or websites because should not be easy, there should be a police,judge or some other official request behind it at least.

IndySun 6y ago
Thank you. We disagree on little. However one should be careful with broad terms like' offence'. To whom do you allocate the task of deciding for you what is offensive, is the tricky part. The silicon corporates do move the goalposts to suit. Governments are not fair all the time. Where you are born impacts hugely on your life. And the laughably named 'free market' has the same flaws. All of these issues we are discussing will be alleviated, though not eradicated (impossible), the more we move towards an equal and fairer society.

salawat 6y ago

>I also hate it when software won't work without a 'security' handshake. You are in for a bad time unless you go full FLOSS. The days of shareware and freedom from stupid centralized license enforcement is long dead, sadly. Don't bother bringing that up on HN though. The Upton Sinclairism "It is difficult to get someone to understand that which their paycheck fepends on them not understanding" applies. Unless of course you're talking TLS, in which case that handshaking is cool, and responsible, and if done right transparent to the end user.

simion314 6y ago
FLOSS is great but not enough. There are more and more places where you need a smartphone and an application (or else you can't use a service or it will be 100 times more time consuming) IMO all smartphones should have an unlock code. it will be printed in the box you b ought the phone, if you use that you unlock your phone and can install FLOSS apps in it. (now the Apple fanboys will try to change my mind, I will not change my mind, some Android smartphones have a more simpler method to unlock side loading and Google is still full with money, in fact when you go to an official page for an app they link you to the Store and never found a page that gives you the installer.
- fsflover 6y ago
  > IMO all smartphones should have an unlock code They should not be locked in the first place. GNU/Linux smartphones come to mind. (Anbox can be used for Android apps)