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I'm fine with banning apps that permit organizing violent insurrection in response to independently certified elections. That isn't the case here however and I

I'm fine with banning apps that permit organizing violent insurrection in response to independently certified elections. That isn't the case here however and I expect some resolution will come.

throwaways885 6y ago
Why didn't the primary app involved banned then? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/opinion/facebook-far-right.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/opinion/facebook-far-righ...
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  Not sure Facebook was primary but.. Did people really post about storming the capitol using their real names?
  - throwaways885 6y ago
    Of course they did - after all, they wouldn't do it if they thought they were in the wrong. In fairness, the vast majority of those who went to the capitol that day were there for the Trump rally, not smashing up congress.
- myko 6y ago
  Parler's stated goal was to allow that type of speech while Facebook at least put a cursory amount of effort in blocking it.
  - bavell 6y ago
    Hmm, so as long as the firehose of vomit continues to spew from the PR dept, it's all good? All you have to do is make it look like you're doing something? Never used parler and not defending them but idk why facebook gets a free pass from you, they are far more to blame for the events that transpired IMO.
    - myko 6y ago
      Facebook doesn't get a free pass from me, I'm just pointing out that Facebook made at least an attempt, publicly, to combat insurrectionists / hate speech while Parler advertised as a safe space for the same. These are just the facts, interpret them as you wish. IMO: Facebook (and YouTube, and Twitter) could and should do a lot more. The more they do the more likely it is they will be legislated out of existence and I'm not sure how they strike a good balance there. I also think Facebook in particular could do better but doesn't want to in order to keep engagement up - yet they want the good PR they can get for banning hate speech. They're trying to have it both ways and are awful. That's still different than Parler where the entire reason it exists is to push radical viewpoints without governance.
redis_mlc 6y ago
> I'm fine with banning apps that permit organizing violent insurrection in response to independently certified elections. First of all, Trump was a sitting President. Second of all, the left/DNC spent 8 months burning American downtowns, which is the real "violent insurrection." Third, there were no "independently certified elections," unless you mean the one that was overturned during the 2020 election, and the one in 2021.
elastolin 6y ago
> I'm okay with deplatforming, but only when it suits me Jesus, just shut the fuck up.
- dang 6y ago
  We've banned this account. You can't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
simion314 6y ago
How do you draw the line exactly? What if someone used FB or the official Appole/Google email/chat apps to start a revolution in some country? For illegal stuff you have laws and examples, for this stuff you need to guess what Silicon Valley does not like and censor your content just in case. For the case you mention, do you think it helped? As I said I am not from US so I have no idea if the were any effects.
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  It's not me who draws the line and that's the point. Government/the public isn't involved. The companies themselves draw the line.
throwawaysea 6y ago
Still claiming it was a “violent insurrection”, even when experts have been clear this wasn’t one (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-capitol-2020-election-trump/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c...)? A handful of people stormed the Capitol, and nearly none of them were there to stage an “insurrection”. Most were just there as protesters who got carried away. There were also tens of thousands more in DC participating in rallies and protests without ever having stormed the Capitol as well. Also, this was far from the only time protesters invaded the Capitol. It was the only time so much attention was given to it by news media and social media alike, however. I’m sure you spoke up when hundreds stormed the Capitol during Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings, where hundreds were arrested, correct (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405500-212-protesters-total-arrested-during-kavanaugh-hearings https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405500-212-protesters-to...)? As for Parler - with millions of users, almost 100% of content being completely fine, and with more of the riot being planned on Facebook, banning Parler was simply an ideological power move by left biased tech companies who have no respect for free speech principles.
tsdlts 6y ago
Very good, let's petition to ban signal. In fact, let's ban encryption altogether as such a technology can be used to coordinate terrorist attacks.
- unityByFreedom 6y ago
  No, that's government level. I'm only fine with private entities choosing to do or not do business with whom they please. If google wants to block apps that use encryption then they can do it. Of course that would destroy their business so they won't.

I'm fine with banning apps that permit organizing violent insurrection in response to independently certified elections. That isn't the case here however and I expect some resolution will come.

throwaways885 6y ago

Why didn't the primary app involved banned then? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/opinion/facebook-far-right.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/14/opinion/facebook-far-righ...

unityByFreedom 6y ago
Not sure Facebook was primary but.. Did people really post about storming the capitol using their real names?
- throwaways885 6y ago
  Of course they did - after all, they wouldn't do it if they thought they were in the wrong. In fairness, the vast majority of those who went to the capitol that day were there for the Trump rally, not smashing up congress.
myko 6y ago
Parler's stated goal was to allow that type of speech while Facebook at least put a cursory amount of effort in blocking it.
- bavell 6y ago
  Hmm, so as long as the firehose of vomit continues to spew from the PR dept, it's all good? All you have to do is make it look like you're doing something? Never used parler and not defending them but idk why facebook gets a free pass from you, they are far more to blame for the events that transpired IMO.
  - myko 6y ago
    Facebook doesn't get a free pass from me, I'm just pointing out that Facebook made at least an attempt, publicly, to combat insurrectionists / hate speech while Parler advertised as a safe space for the same. These are just the facts, interpret them as you wish. IMO: Facebook (and YouTube, and Twitter) could and should do a lot more. The more they do the more likely it is they will be legislated out of existence and I'm not sure how they strike a good balance there. I also think Facebook in particular could do better but doesn't want to in order to keep engagement up - yet they want the good PR they can get for banning hate speech. They're trying to have it both ways and are awful. That's still different than Parler where the entire reason it exists is to push radical viewpoints without governance.

redis_mlc 6y ago

> I'm fine with banning apps that permit organizing violent insurrection in response to independently certified elections. First of all, Trump was a sitting President. Second of all, the left/DNC spent 8 months burning American downtowns, which is the real "violent insurrection." Third, there were no "independently certified elections," unless you mean the one that was overturned during the 2020 election, and the one in 2021.

elastolin 6y ago

> I'm okay with deplatforming, but only when it suits me Jesus, just shut the fuck up.

dang 6y ago
We've banned this account. You can't break the site guidelines like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

simion314 6y ago

How do you draw the line exactly? What if someone used FB or the official Appole/Google email/chat apps to start a revolution in some country? For illegal stuff you have laws and examples, for this stuff you need to guess what Silicon Valley does not like and censor your content just in case. For the case you mention, do you think it helped? As I said I am not from US so I have no idea if the were any effects.

unityByFreedom 6y ago
It's not me who draws the line and that's the point. Government/the public isn't involved. The companies themselves draw the line.

throwawaysea 6y ago

Still claiming it was a “violent insurrection”, even when experts have been clear this wasn’t one (https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-capitol-2020-election-trump/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/01/06/why-this-wasnt-a-coup-c...)? A handful of people stormed the Capitol, and nearly none of them were there to stage an “insurrection”. Most were just there as protesters who got carried away. There were also tens of thousands more in DC participating in rallies and protests without ever having stormed the Capitol as well. Also, this was far from the only time protesters invaded the Capitol. It was the only time so much attention was given to it by news media and social media alike, however. I’m sure you spoke up when hundreds stormed the Capitol during Kavanaugh’s confirmation hearings, where hundreds were arrested, correct (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405500-212-protesters-total-arrested-during-kavanaugh-hearings https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/405500-212-protesters-to...)? As for Parler - with millions of users, almost 100% of content being completely fine, and with more of the riot being planned on Facebook, banning Parler was simply an ideological power move by left biased tech companies who have no respect for free speech principles.

tsdlts 6y ago

Very good, let's petition to ban signal. In fact, let's ban encryption altogether as such a technology can be used to coordinate terrorist attacks.

unityByFreedom 6y ago
No, that's government level. I'm only fine with private entities choosing to do or not do business with whom they please. If google wants to block apps that use encryption then they can do it. Of course that would destroy their business so they won't.