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I think it took a while for the Ballmer effect to kick in at Microsoft. Organizations have creating new things baked into their DNA, and it does resist corrosi

I think it took a while for the Ballmer effect to kick in at Microsoft. Organizations have creating new things baked into their DNA, and it does resist corrosion. So I am curious to see if Cook can avoid squelching that like Ballmer. Operations is great to have and Cook is really good at it. Focus on ops can destroy the creative process though. I figure another 8 years and we'll know for sure (Ballmer clocked in at 14). I look forward to being wrong, Cook is a great human being.

rorykoehler 6y ago
The M1 chip and moving Jony Ive on points towards Cook being in a different league to Ballmer.
- Austin_Conlon 6y ago
  Also Microsoft lost all relevance in being a mobile phone platform under Ballmer. I can't think of a similar blunder from Cook, maybe losing mindshare from creative professionals, but that's a much smaller market that Apple could be making a comeback in.
  - johannes1234321 6y ago
    At the same time Azure was started under Ballmer, which was important in Microsoft's reinvention and repositioning.
    - Austin_Conlon 6y ago
      Now if only Cook could reinvent the autocorrect feature.
      - johannes1234321 6y ago
        Haha, in this case it was Sundar Pichai's fault ;) Fixed the typo.
- doctor_eval 6y ago
  Not just Ive, but Forstall too. That's gotta have taken guts.
  - astrange 6y ago
    He made some bad exec hires too (Mark Papermaster and John Browett) but he also fired them quickly.
tchalla 6y ago
> I think it took a while for the Ballmer effect to kick in at Microsoft. Tim Cook is about 2/3rds through of Ballmer's tenure. If you were to take a bet today, do you see Tim Cook doing the direction of Ballmer?
mywittyname 6y ago
Cook is 10 years into his tenure at Apple. Since Ballmer took over in 2000, we can look at the period between 2001 and 2011 for comparison. During that time, their stock price fell at least 10%. The launch of Windows Vista was bungled (XP outlived Vista). They had a string of failures in the phone market, before finally abandoning it. They had a string of failed acquisitions, including Nokia. Remember the Microsoft Stores? Azure was the only real lasting success acheived under Ballmer.

rorykoehler 6y ago

The M1 chip and moving Jony Ive on points towards Cook being in a different league to Ballmer.

Austin_Conlon 6y ago
Also Microsoft lost all relevance in being a mobile phone platform under Ballmer. I can't think of a similar blunder from Cook, maybe losing mindshare from creative professionals, but that's a much smaller market that Apple could be making a comeback in.
- johannes1234321 6y ago
  At the same time Azure was started under Ballmer, which was important in Microsoft's reinvention and repositioning.
  - Austin_Conlon 6y ago
    Now if only Cook could reinvent the autocorrect feature.
    - johannes1234321 6y ago
      Haha, in this case it was Sundar Pichai's fault ;) Fixed the typo.
doctor_eval 6y ago
Not just Ive, but Forstall too. That's gotta have taken guts.
- astrange 6y ago
  He made some bad exec hires too (Mark Papermaster and John Browett) but he also fired them quickly.

tchalla 6y ago

> I think it took a while for the Ballmer effect to kick in at Microsoft. Tim Cook is about 2/3rds through of Ballmer's tenure. If you were to take a bet today, do you see Tim Cook doing the direction of Ballmer?

mywittyname 6y ago

Cook is 10 years into his tenure at Apple. Since Ballmer took over in 2000, we can look at the period between 2001 and 2011 for comparison. During that time, their stock price fell at least 10%. The launch of Windows Vista was bungled (XP outlived Vista). They had a string of failures in the phone market, before finally abandoning it. They had a string of failed acquisitions, including Nokia. Remember the Microsoft Stores? Azure was the only real lasting success acheived under Ballmer.