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> someone who likes to be prepared, who doesn't think they'll ever need it, and hopes to never use it If 40% of the population think they need to be prepared,

> someone who likes to be prepared, who doesn't think they'll ever need it, and hopes to never use it If 40% of the population think they need to be prepared, there is probably something broken in that community.

andrewflnr 6y ago
Even if you're right (I'd at least mostly agree), pointing that out doesn't change the facts for the people who think they need to be prepared. Don't blame them. Fix the situation before you expect them to relax.
- africanboy 6y ago
  > Fix the situation before you expect them to relax. The only way to fix the situation, in my opinion, is gun control. People are worried, admitting that's the main motive, because there are too many armed people around.
meowster 6y ago
I am not going to disagree with you there. I would like it if we never needed guns. Unfortunately I don't know of any community that has erradicated crime and dangerous animals.
- africanboy 6y ago
  > . Unfortunately I don't know of any community that has erradicated crime and dangerous animals. I agree, risk zero does not exists, but there is a lot that can be done before platoeing To put things in perspective, these are some stats about Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year Country United States Year 2017 Total 12.21 Homicide 4.46 Suicide 7.32 Unintentional 0.15 Undetermined 0.10 Guns per 100 inhabitants 120.5 --- Country Italy Year 2015 Total 1.13 Homicide 0.29 Suicide 0.72 Unintentional 0.12 Undetermined 0.00 Guns per 100 inhabitants 11.9 --- Country Japan Year 2015 Total 0.02 Homicide 0.00 Suicide 0.01 Unintentional 0.00 Undetermined 0.00 Guns per 100 inhabitants 0.60 As you can see the death rate appears to be strongly correlated to the amount of firearms circulating: USA has ten times the number of firearms of Italy (proportionally to the population) and 10 times the deaths, Japan has 1/200 of the firearms of USA and 1/600 of the deaths, Japan owns 1/20th of the firearms of Italy and has 1/60 of the deaths.
  - meowster 6y ago
    > correlated "correlation does not equal causation" It appears as if we have different mindsets, and that's okay. It seems like we both agree there's a problem, but may differ as to the cause/solution or way to lessen the problem, and only wish the best for everyone. I'm pretty sure neither of are going to change our thoughts about guns based on this thread here.
    - africanboy 6y ago
      > "correlation does not equal causation" I'm familiar with the concept and I do not want to change your mind. I also wish the best for everybody too, I lived in the USA and still have many friends there and many of them, of course, disagree with me on this and it's ok. I've said "appears to be strongly correlated" because I know Americans are sensitive about this topic, after all it's a Constitutional right. But in the end when the stats of your country are the worst among "first World" countries, places like Nicaragua, Mexico and South Africa do better and Colombia is only slightly worse, maybe it's time to try something radically different, because whatever it's going on right now in the USA it's clearly not working. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-income_countries.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/2010_hom...

andrewflnr 6y ago

Even if you're right (I'd at least mostly agree), pointing that out doesn't change the facts for the people who think they need to be prepared. Don't blame them. Fix the situation before you expect them to relax.

africanboy 6y ago
> Fix the situation before you expect them to relax. The only way to fix the situation, in my opinion, is gun control. People are worried, admitting that's the main motive, because there are too many armed people around.

meowster 6y ago

I am not going to disagree with you there. I would like it if we never needed guns. Unfortunately I don't know of any community that has erradicated crime and dangerous animals.

africanboy 6y ago
> . Unfortunately I don't know of any community that has erradicated crime and dangerous animals. I agree, risk zero does not exists, but there is a lot that can be done before platoeing To put things in perspective, these are some stats about Firearm-related death rate per 100,000 population per year Country United States Year 2017 Total 12.21 Homicide 4.46 Suicide 7.32 Unintentional 0.15 Undetermined 0.10 Guns per 100 inhabitants 120.5 --- Country Italy Year 2015 Total 1.13 Homicide 0.29 Suicide 0.72 Unintentional 0.12 Undetermined 0.00 Guns per 100 inhabitants 11.9 --- Country Japan Year 2015 Total 0.02 Homicide 0.00 Suicide 0.01 Unintentional 0.00 Undetermined 0.00 Guns per 100 inhabitants 0.60 As you can see the death rate appears to be strongly correlated to the amount of firearms circulating: USA has ten times the number of firearms of Italy (proportionally to the population) and 10 times the deaths, Japan has 1/200 of the firearms of USA and 1/600 of the deaths, Japan owns 1/20th of the firearms of Italy and has 1/60 of the deaths.
- meowster 6y ago
  > correlated "correlation does not equal causation" It appears as if we have different mindsets, and that's okay. It seems like we both agree there's a problem, but may differ as to the cause/solution or way to lessen the problem, and only wish the best for everyone. I'm pretty sure neither of are going to change our thoughts about guns based on this thread here.
  - africanboy 6y ago
    > "correlation does not equal causation" I'm familiar with the concept and I do not want to change your mind. I also wish the best for everybody too, I lived in the USA and still have many friends there and many of them, of course, disagree with me on this and it's ok. I've said "appears to be strongly correlated" because I know Americans are sensitive about this topic, after all it's a Constitutional right. But in the end when the stats of your country are the worst among "first World" countries, places like Nicaragua, Mexico and South Africa do better and Colombia is only slightly worse, maybe it's time to try something radically different, because whatever it's going on right now in the USA it's clearly not working. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/2010_homicide_suicide_rates_high-income_countries.png https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2e/2010_hom...