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It's only repressive government moderation when someone else does it. When it happens in the US, it's "policing hate speech".

andybak 6y ago
That's a fair argument but only if you embrace the logical conclusion of the stance you are taking. If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion). If however you have your own feelings about sane limits on free speech - then you can't take this position without someone else using your argument against you. It's fine to make these kind of grand statements but I'd like you to clearly state that you're going all the way with it and not just being slightly less inconsistent than the person you're calling out.
- edoceo 6y ago
  I think the parent might have been sarcastic. Hard to tell in text only. I read the last line as "pOlIcInG hAtE sPeEch" with USA being the butt of the joke.
  - umeshunni 6y ago
    Yes, I was being sarcastic. Missed adding a /s
    - andybak 6y ago
      I think I was reacting to your sarcasm. I presumed you were arguing that it is a hypocricy to criticise "repressive government moderation" on one hand while supporting "policing hate speech" on the other. I would argue that it's possible to consistently support the latter whilst condemning the former. It's simply a debate about when a neccesary evil slips over the line into something worse.
- panny 6y ago
  >If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion). It's just words. Sticks and stones... What I see on social media platforms is a UX made to require moderation. Once upon a time, the user had the power to ignore people with the click of a button. "Don't feed the troll" was common wisdom. If Alex Jones or anyone else said something you didn't like, you just ignored them and never hear them again. All the "gamification" of social media made everyone participating in social media into "gamers" who throw tantrums and their little joysticks when they "lose" points. Just like when you got your ass beat playing Mortal Kombat. Then moderators, like parents, come in to scold you and give you a timeout/suspension/whatever.

andybak 6y ago

That's a fair argument but only if you embrace the logical conclusion of the stance you are taking. If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion). If however you have your own feelings about sane limits on free speech - then you can't take this position without someone else using your argument against you. It's fine to make these kind of grand statements but I'd like you to clearly state that you're going all the way with it and not just being slightly less inconsistent than the person you're calling out.

edoceo 6y ago
I think the parent might have been sarcastic. Hard to tell in text only. I read the last line as "pOlIcInG hAtE sPeEch" with USA being the butt of the joke.
- umeshunni 6y ago
  Yes, I was being sarcastic. Missed adding a /s
  - andybak 6y ago
    I think I was reacting to your sarcasm. I presumed you were arguing that it is a hypocricy to criticise "repressive government moderation" on one hand while supporting "policing hate speech" on the other. I would argue that it's possible to consistently support the latter whilst condemning the former. It's simply a debate about when a neccesary evil slips over the line into something worse.
panny 6y ago
>If you are arguing for unbridled free speech then fair enough (Personally I wouldn't but we can have that conversaion). It's just words. Sticks and stones... What I see on social media platforms is a UX made to require moderation. Once upon a time, the user had the power to ignore people with the click of a button. "Don't feed the troll" was common wisdom. If Alex Jones or anyone else said something you didn't like, you just ignored them and never hear them again. All the "gamification" of social media made everyone participating in social media into "gamers" who throw tantrums and their little joysticks when they "lose" points. Just like when you got your ass beat playing Mortal Kombat. Then moderators, like parents, come in to scold you and give you a timeout/suspension/whatever.