You bring up a valid point about NY vs. FL. NY [0] had more initial cases (initial outbreaks), Florida [1] had more over the summer (perhaps inside with a/c?),

You bring up a valid point about NY vs. FL. NY [0] had more initial cases (initial outbreaks), Florida [1] had more over the summer (perhaps inside with a/c?), and they have been pretty much identical the last several months. I don't propose that Florida is doing better. But numerically it's hard to say they are doing worse. And there are at least some crowded nightclubs in Florida, and have been for months. I don't know of that happening in NY, I've heard of the ones there that tried getting shut down. I'm not sure what to do with the idea of the someone who would willingly expose their Grandmother. Some grandmothers don't care. Some care a lot and won't take any chances. Most young people don't live with their grandmother's. I wouldn't go clubbing if I lived with my grandmother. When I'm visiting other people I'm sure to let them know about any recent exposure I've had, allowing them to decide if they're comfortable. Maybe we should return to the main question of this thread, so we don't stray too far: Is it reasonable for young healthy people (who don't live with vulnerable people) to go out clubbing? Given the numbers (7000 out of 89+ million 19-39 year olds have died in the country), my answer is still "yes!" Another way of looking at it (for young people): Young people are 20x more likely to die of something besides covid [2]. Nobody thinks it's reasonable to hide from those other things, do they? I'm in a different demographic, my odds aren't as good as those of an 18-39 year old, and I'm still comfortable going out and ignoring the pandemic when the urge strikes and I'll have a good time. I've paid close attention to the numbers, and only 1 in 600 people have died from this so far, tending to be older and with existing health issues. So my odds are even better than 1 in 600. You may look at the same numbers and asses the risks differently. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and to isolate as they see fit. Perhaps a better way to continue this conversation would be to agree on some numbers, then discuss why we look at the numbers differently? [0] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/ [1] https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/florida/ [2] https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Counts-by-Age-in-Years/3apk-4u4f https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Deaths-Counts...