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This is about Israel not Jews. Israel is a country, Jews are not a country. Israel is not made of Jews, there are other religions in Israel. Why do you have to

This is about Israel not Jews. Israel is a country, Jews are not a country. Israel is not made of Jews, there are other religions in Israel. Why do you have to invent things and call them "matter of fact", such as Israel being a bastion of peace when they invest so much money and energy on Army and weapons or HN being pro/anti certain religions, is beyond my comprehension.

amitport 6y ago
Funny you say this is beyond your comprehension AND be so biased against Israel. Either you're incredibly naive about what an actual threat to a country and its civilians means (oh no! they invest in Army and weapons), or you're just a little bit anti-semite.
- Banana699 6y ago
  Just an honest question: do you think Manifest Destiny and killing native Americans was justified or in any way legitimate ? If you answer with a no, how can you support a country that arose and expanded exactly the same way ? is it the "old homeland" bullshit Israeli propoganda loves to spew ? If so, why not be completely fair and give back the balkans to the turks or spain to the Greeks or the whole mediterranean coast to the Italians?, the last two in particular were a true homeland for their conquerors for at least a millennia. What's the difference ? Its ridiculous and pathetic you want to frame this as an attack against jews. I guess you took a page from ultra-islamists calling every criticism of islam "Islamophobia". But that's just you closing your ears and shouting "Blah Blah Blah I don't hear you.. Israel good, Israel good, Israel good", _Every_ Nation State in existence is an organized crime organization with a seat in the UN, Israel is just unlucky enough to have come late to the game, when Universal Human Rights were recognized as a good idea. You don't gain points for pointing out how this country or that killed n millions more than Israel, at least those other mobsters got a claim to the territory they rule that is more solid than "Well there is this book that a sky daddy wrote and it says right there that this piece of land belongs to us".
  - skinkestek 6y ago
    > If so, why not be completely fair and give back the balkans to the turks or spain to the Greeks or the whole mediterranean coast to the Italians?, the last two in particular were a true homeland for their conquerors for at least a millennia. What's the difference ? If so, all the Jews that were chased from their homes in all the neighboring countries should also be given their homes back too, right? Because this is a lot more complex than the media typically give it credit for. Media conveniently forget that Jews were also driven from their homes and into Israel - only Israel integrated their refugees instead of putting them in refugee camps for use as a political pawn.
    - tomcooks 6y ago
      Media also tends to forget that Israel actively sends new settlers every year to invade Palestinian homes, burn centuries old olive tree fields, block access to water (while conveniently promoting retarded water purification trinkets).
      - skinkestek 6y ago
        Edit: firstly you are attaching to a tangent of my post. The point of my post above yours still stands uncontested. Secondly: Feel free to dig out your sources. It would not be the first time I changed or nuanced my position on a topic were I thought my mind was set in stone. Here's what needs to be proved for your claim to stand - as currently written: - Israel (officially by government or military leadership) - actively (as in: ordered it to happen) - sends (plural, recent) - invade Palestinian homes, burn centuries old olive tree fields, block access to water - bonus points for this: (while conveniently promoting retarded water purification trinkets). Prove it and I'll add it to my list somewhere near white phosphorus (because I'm fully aware Israelis mostly aren't saints).
        tomcooks 6y ago
        Here are some sources, but any Amnesty International, United Nations or Israel boycott association will be happy to give you plenty more official data about this. https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-funding-settler-institute-squatting-illegally-in-palestinian-home/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-funding-settler-institut... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://religionandpolitics.org/2017/05/30/how-american-jews-became-israeli-settlers/ https://religionandpolitics.org/2017/05/30/how-american-jews... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-olives-idUSKBN27E1Y6 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-olive... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occu... https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-idUSL8N2151O7 https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-idUSL... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SodaStream#Controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SodaStream#Controversy
- tomcooks 6y ago
  There you go, now that you played the antisemite card and insulted a stranger let him know: how you can have hortodox Jews that are also antisionists? How would that work in that brilliant mind of yours? Stay special!
  - amitport 6y ago
    He wondered why a country that is under threat invests in its army. This was not criticism. Either this person is naive, as I said (I mean this in a non-offensive way), or this person is fine with this a threat being materialized. In this option B, you can call such blind hatred against a country and its people whatever you prefer.

amitport 6y ago

Funny you say this is beyond your comprehension AND be so biased against Israel. Either you're incredibly naive about what an actual threat to a country and its civilians means (oh no! they invest in Army and weapons), or you're just a little bit anti-semite.

Banana699 6y ago
Just an honest question: do you think Manifest Destiny and killing native Americans was justified or in any way legitimate ? If you answer with a no, how can you support a country that arose and expanded exactly the same way ? is it the "old homeland" bullshit Israeli propoganda loves to spew ? If so, why not be completely fair and give back the balkans to the turks or spain to the Greeks or the whole mediterranean coast to the Italians?, the last two in particular were a true homeland for their conquerors for at least a millennia. What's the difference ? Its ridiculous and pathetic you want to frame this as an attack against jews. I guess you took a page from ultra-islamists calling every criticism of islam "Islamophobia". But that's just you closing your ears and shouting "Blah Blah Blah I don't hear you.. Israel good, Israel good, Israel good", _Every_ Nation State in existence is an organized crime organization with a seat in the UN, Israel is just unlucky enough to have come late to the game, when Universal Human Rights were recognized as a good idea. You don't gain points for pointing out how this country or that killed n millions more than Israel, at least those other mobsters got a claim to the territory they rule that is more solid than "Well there is this book that a sky daddy wrote and it says right there that this piece of land belongs to us".
- skinkestek 6y ago
  > If so, why not be completely fair and give back the balkans to the turks or spain to the Greeks or the whole mediterranean coast to the Italians?, the last two in particular were a true homeland for their conquerors for at least a millennia. What's the difference ? If so, all the Jews that were chased from their homes in all the neighboring countries should also be given their homes back too, right? Because this is a lot more complex than the media typically give it credit for. Media conveniently forget that Jews were also driven from their homes and into Israel - only Israel integrated their refugees instead of putting them in refugee camps for use as a political pawn.
  - tomcooks 6y ago
    Media also tends to forget that Israel actively sends new settlers every year to invade Palestinian homes, burn centuries old olive tree fields, block access to water (while conveniently promoting retarded water purification trinkets).
    - skinkestek 6y ago
      Edit: firstly you are attaching to a tangent of my post. The point of my post above yours still stands uncontested. Secondly: Feel free to dig out your sources. It would not be the first time I changed or nuanced my position on a topic were I thought my mind was set in stone. Here's what needs to be proved for your claim to stand - as currently written: - Israel (officially by government or military leadership) - actively (as in: ordered it to happen) - sends (plural, recent) - invade Palestinian homes, burn centuries old olive tree fields, block access to water - bonus points for this: (while conveniently promoting retarded water purification trinkets). Prove it and I'll add it to my list somewhere near white phosphorus (because I'm fully aware Israelis mostly aren't saints).
      - tomcooks 6y ago
        Here are some sources, but any Amnesty International, United Nations or Israel boycott association will be happy to give you plenty more official data about this. https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-funding-settler-institute-squatting-illegally-in-palestinian-home/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/state-funding-settler-institut... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settlement https://religionandpolitics.org/2017/05/30/how-american-jews-became-israeli-settlers/ https://religionandpolitics.org/2017/05/30/how-american-jews... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-olives-idUSKBN27E1Y6 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-palestinians-olive... https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occu... https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-idUSL8N2151O7 https://www.reuters.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-idUSL... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SodaStream#Controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SodaStream#Controversy
tomcooks 6y ago
There you go, now that you played the antisemite card and insulted a stranger let him know: how you can have hortodox Jews that are also antisionists? How would that work in that brilliant mind of yours? Stay special!
- amitport 6y ago
  He wondered why a country that is under threat invests in its army. This was not criticism. Either this person is naive, as I said (I mean this in a non-offensive way), or this person is fine with this a threat being materialized. In this option B, you can call such blind hatred against a country and its people whatever you prefer.