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Random speculations? Certain philosophies at least survived the test of time (we are talking about millennia) while we still have to see a scientific theory sur

Random speculations? Certain philosophies at least survived the test of time (we are talking about millennia) while we still have to see a scientific theory survive a handful of centuries... Of course I'm pushing back with my statement, but really claiming philosophy is "random speculations" sounds really uninformed and naive.

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neonological 6y ago
That's the problem with philosophy. It's archaic. It doesn't self improve. Christianity and Muslims have been around almost as long as philosophy. It doesn't make their opposing views automatically valid nor does it eliminate the randomness of some arbitrary beliefs in each respective religion (why is jesus named jesus, for example).
- namero999 6y ago
  Feel free to consciously ignore the developments of the last few thousands year, and to hold the immature view that religious myths have to be taken literally. This sounds like something my teenage nephew would say, so I have lost interest in arguing with you on these topics.
  - neonological 6y ago
    This is a personal attack which is against the rules here. I think you took my words as an attack because you’ve been personally invested in philosophy for so long defending it like a cultist who refuses to take reality at face value. Greek mythology and Chinese mythology and most mythology were invented in the past as literal explanations of reality. The penchant today to not take things literally is an excuse. Our understanding of reality has changed and the archaic explanations of of the past no longer work yet blind loyalty still binds you to religious explanations. This is why people twist the explanations and say to not take them literally. Were people in the past so stupid that they had to wrap every explanation in the symbolism of a fantastical myth? Doubtful. This is more likely the excuse made by someone who cannot reconcile rationality with there loyalty to a religion. I don’t think you actually lost interest. I think you just know you lost.
    - namero999 6y ago
      Peace brother. One day you'll understand. (Also what you write is factually false).
      - neonological 6y ago
        Such empty words. Calling my views immature and using other insults and saying I'll never understand are methods used to ignite war. You lost, and youre lashing out. You had a simple option. Explain your point, but you failed to do that. You resorted to insults and now you suddenly want peace? Contradictory and emotional reactions are a sign of impending loss. What I write is inexplicably true and you are scared. Because what I write is tearing down beliefs you've invested years in and you can't face the truth. Your insult is a defensive wall to protect that belief. If logic was available to defend your beliefs you would've used it. Here's your final chance.
        namero999 6y ago
        I never claimed you will never understand. I said the exact opposite (read again), and again you are twisting my words to play a pointless game that you so much want to win, it seems so important to you because you keep on using these childish words win/lose... shrug. I am definitely attacking your arguments, which I find ignorant. Not you. I don't care, I don't know you. It's factually wrong to claim that religious myths are to be taken literally or that they were ever meant to do so. Or that philosophy is random speculations. You are missing the concept of "plausibility" as opposed to truth, which would help you navigate these topics. I can suggest the book Perennial Philosophy by Huxley to start getting a cursory understanding of what we are talking about here, which ultimately boils down to the inability of language to capture transcendental experiences which every society, all over the planet for the whole of recorded history had and thought about capturing in stories that survived to these days. To call that "random speculations" is so ridicule that can hardly be commented against. What you write is not tearing anything down, is making me laugh, actually: it sounds exactly like me 20 years ago.
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neonological 6y ago

That's the problem with philosophy. It's archaic. It doesn't self improve. Christianity and Muslims have been around almost as long as philosophy. It doesn't make their opposing views automatically valid nor does it eliminate the randomness of some arbitrary beliefs in each respective religion (why is jesus named jesus, for example).

namero999 6y ago
Feel free to consciously ignore the developments of the last few thousands year, and to hold the immature view that religious myths have to be taken literally. This sounds like something my teenage nephew would say, so I have lost interest in arguing with you on these topics.
- neonological 6y ago
  This is a personal attack which is against the rules here. I think you took my words as an attack because you’ve been personally invested in philosophy for so long defending it like a cultist who refuses to take reality at face value. Greek mythology and Chinese mythology and most mythology were invented in the past as literal explanations of reality. The penchant today to not take things literally is an excuse. Our understanding of reality has changed and the archaic explanations of of the past no longer work yet blind loyalty still binds you to religious explanations. This is why people twist the explanations and say to not take them literally. Were people in the past so stupid that they had to wrap every explanation in the symbolism of a fantastical myth? Doubtful. This is more likely the excuse made by someone who cannot reconcile rationality with there loyalty to a religion. I don’t think you actually lost interest. I think you just know you lost.
  - namero999 6y ago
    Peace brother. One day you'll understand. (Also what you write is factually false).
    - neonological 6y ago
      Such empty words. Calling my views immature and using other insults and saying I'll never understand are methods used to ignite war. You lost, and youre lashing out. You had a simple option. Explain your point, but you failed to do that. You resorted to insults and now you suddenly want peace? Contradictory and emotional reactions are a sign of impending loss. What I write is inexplicably true and you are scared. Because what I write is tearing down beliefs you've invested years in and you can't face the truth. Your insult is a defensive wall to protect that belief. If logic was available to defend your beliefs you would've used it. Here's your final chance.
      - namero999 6y ago
        I never claimed you will never understand. I said the exact opposite (read again), and again you are twisting my words to play a pointless game that you so much want to win, it seems so important to you because you keep on using these childish words win/lose... shrug. I am definitely attacking your arguments, which I find ignorant. Not you. I don't care, I don't know you. It's factually wrong to claim that religious myths are to be taken literally or that they were ever meant to do so. Or that philosophy is random speculations. You are missing the concept of "plausibility" as opposed to truth, which would help you navigate these topics. I can suggest the book Perennial Philosophy by Huxley to start getting a cursory understanding of what we are talking about here, which ultimately boils down to the inability of language to capture transcendental experiences which every society, all over the planet for the whole of recorded history had and thought about capturing in stories that survived to these days. To call that "random speculations" is so ridicule that can hardly be commented against. What you write is not tearing anything down, is making me laugh, actually: it sounds exactly like me 20 years ago.
        6y ago