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I wouldn't call your colleagues lazy, i would say they have other responsibilities and a life. Not everyone has a SO to clean and cook for them and maintaining

I wouldn't call your colleagues lazy, i would say they have other responsibilities and a life. Not everyone has a SO to clean and cook for them and maintaining relationships takes work Also: you dont have 9 hours of productive work in you a day. Nobody does. You have 4 good hours and then a bunch of wasted time where you are performing being busy because you want everyone to know how smart you are.

robocat 6y ago
> you dont have 9 hours of productive work in you a day. > Nobody does. You are making an overgeneralisation, or assuming a context. For lots of jobs productivity is fairly linear with time - some of those jobs work on piece rates or hourly wages. Some people are productive for 9 hours in professional jobs, and they are billed accordingly, although maybe the marginal productivity per hour falls. Not everyone is “wasting time, busy working, and showing off” to paraphrase you.
- dheera 6y ago
  In the general scheme of things you're right that many jobs are near linear, but I think for the intended audience of TFA (people likely to be scammed by the salary system and made to work longer than 40-hour weeks without overtime pay) it's a valid generalization. The jobs that actually are linear actually do tend to get paid by the hour and often even have 1.5x pay for overtime, and the fact that salaried workers don't get that is precisely where the scam is.
dheera 6y ago
> Not everyone has a SO to clean and cook for them I do have an SO and it's not her job to cook and clean for me. In any case, yeah, 9 hours a day is pushing it for actual productivity.
tartoran 6y ago
> Also: you dont have 9 hours of productive work in you a day. Nobody does. You have 4 good hours and then a bunch of wasted time where you are performing being busy because you want everyone to know how smart you are. This is true though it may confuse some who currently do but don’t realize it’s not sustainable and leads to burnout. I used to have 8-9 productive hours a day until I realized the cost. I also have a family now and putting those hours would spend me completely and I’d have nothing left for them. Why in the world would I do that? Even if it was for a lot more money I’d probably do it only for a short period of time with a long break in mind for recouping and tending to what I’d have neglected. If you’re young and trying to prove yourself and are thirsty to learn and all that sure it works but don’t think this is in any way sustainable.
- nwienert 6y ago
  It can be sustainable. Just takes a lot of setup, and it’s not usually constant for long periods. But I regularly hit 9, even more and have been for many years now through 5 startups. Only happens when you have equity, you like the work, and you have a lot of it in front of you with no managers or meetings in the way. But I’ve designed my work so far to be just that. I’d never go back to working on a team or project that wasn’t structured that way. I’m at my happiest when I’m in this zone, it’s the most creative and rewarding work.
dbancajas 6y ago
> od hours and then a bunch of wasted time where you are performing being busy because you want everyone to know how smart you are. This. I'd be happy if I can get 3 solid hours of uninterrupted flow state.
danlugo92 6y ago
You can have some 9hour productive days from time to time. Cmon.. Cant keep it up every day of the year for sure but Ive had days where Ive been productive for 6 - 10 hours.

robocat 6y ago

> you dont have 9 hours of productive work in you a day. > Nobody does. You are making an overgeneralisation, or assuming a context. For lots of jobs productivity is fairly linear with time - some of those jobs work on piece rates or hourly wages. Some people are productive for 9 hours in professional jobs, and they are billed accordingly, although maybe the marginal productivity per hour falls. Not everyone is “wasting time, busy working, and showing off” to paraphrase you.

dheera 6y ago
In the general scheme of things you're right that many jobs are near linear, but I think for the intended audience of TFA (people likely to be scammed by the salary system and made to work longer than 40-hour weeks without overtime pay) it's a valid generalization. The jobs that actually are linear actually do tend to get paid by the hour and often even have 1.5x pay for overtime, and the fact that salaried workers don't get that is precisely where the scam is.

dheera 6y ago

> Not everyone has a SO to clean and cook for them I do have an SO and it's not her job to cook and clean for me. In any case, yeah, 9 hours a day is pushing it for actual productivity.

tartoran 6y ago

> Also: you dont have 9 hours of productive work in you a day. Nobody does. You have 4 good hours and then a bunch of wasted time where you are performing being busy because you want everyone to know how smart you are. This is true though it may confuse some who currently do but don’t realize it’s not sustainable and leads to burnout. I used to have 8-9 productive hours a day until I realized the cost. I also have a family now and putting those hours would spend me completely and I’d have nothing left for them. Why in the world would I do that? Even if it was for a lot more money I’d probably do it only for a short period of time with a long break in mind for recouping and tending to what I’d have neglected. If you’re young and trying to prove yourself and are thirsty to learn and all that sure it works but don’t think this is in any way sustainable.

nwienert 6y ago
It can be sustainable. Just takes a lot of setup, and it’s not usually constant for long periods. But I regularly hit 9, even more and have been for many years now through 5 startups. Only happens when you have equity, you like the work, and you have a lot of it in front of you with no managers or meetings in the way. But I’ve designed my work so far to be just that. I’d never go back to working on a team or project that wasn’t structured that way. I’m at my happiest when I’m in this zone, it’s the most creative and rewarding work.

dbancajas 6y ago

> od hours and then a bunch of wasted time where you are performing being busy because you want everyone to know how smart you are. This. I'd be happy if I can get 3 solid hours of uninterrupted flow state.

danlugo92 6y ago

You can have some 9hour productive days from time to time. Cmon.. Cant keep it up every day of the year for sure but Ive had days where Ive been productive for 6 - 10 hours.