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> I wish we, the global community, didn't all have to pay for America's internal cultural hangups. Can't wait for Disney to remove any references to the "Dark

> I wish we, the global community, didn't all have to pay for America's internal cultural hangups. Can't wait for Disney to remove any references to the "Dark Side" in Star Wars, Harry Potter to rename the "Dark Arts" into the "Bad Arts" and Lord of the Rings' "Black Riders" to become the "Evil Horsemen." Nobody ever used to connect the term "blacklist" to race. But common sense doesn't seem to play a role anymore.

diomedes 6y ago
> But common sense doesn't seem to play a role anymore. If it were just a common sense problem the damage could be reverted in it's due time. It is about hierarchy, if you put weak people in power they'll game the system and push whatever the mob wants, it won't stop with random tech lingo.
ondrek 6y ago
Seeing black / whitelists discussions I always wonder, if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light.
- macspoofing 6y ago
  >if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light. This definition of white/black colors is context dependent. In some contexts white is defined as a combination of colors, and black is absence of colors. In some contexts (e.g. art) white is defined as absence of colors, and black is a combination of colors.
  - david-gpu 6y ago
    It is not a matter of context or definitions. It's a matter of the underlying physical process. Typical computer displays generate colors by adding light of different wavelengths. However, paint pigments generate colors by absorbing light of different wavelengths. Whether a system emits light directly, like a computer screen, or reflects incoming light, like a painted canvas, the perception of color is still determined by the wavelengths of the photons reaching the observer.
    - macspoofing 6y ago
      Heh. I guess since I engaged in pedantry, I can't complain if others do as well. I disagree though. Your argument is akin to complaining that we shouldn't use temperature because in the fundamental quantum field reality, there is no temperature. Or maybe you would complain about using various equation of fluid mechanics (all of which are at best approximations) instead of field equations to calculate behaviour of liquids. Or maybe complaining in programming that it is incorrect to reason about objects or monads because it's just bitshifts and logic gates underneath. The notion in art that 'white is the absence of color, and black is a combination of colors' is a useful abstraction for that particular domain because the canvas is white, and black can be made by mixing paint colors. It is as real as anything else that we, as humans, engage in. >the perception of color is still determined by the wavelengths of the photons reaching Not quite right. Color is not a physical process. It is brain experience and does not exist independently. It is USEFUL to sometimes map physical wavelengths of light to colors but that is context dependent. Not only would different species experience color differently for some specific wavelength, but also different humans will experience them differently as well (color blindness is one example, another one is that you can train your brain to be more receptive to color variations)
yongjik 6y ago
> You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Main. > What? How can you do this?! This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you be on the council and not be a Main?! I dunno, the dialogues were always terrible in the prequels, maybe it will improve matters. :/

diomedes 6y ago

> But common sense doesn't seem to play a role anymore. If it were just a common sense problem the damage could be reverted in it's due time. It is about hierarchy, if you put weak people in power they'll game the system and push whatever the mob wants, it won't stop with random tech lingo.

ondrek 6y ago

Seeing black / whitelists discussions I always wonder, if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light.

macspoofing 6y ago
>if white color is racist also by containg all wavelengths, while black suffers by absencing visible light. This definition of white/black colors is context dependent. In some contexts white is defined as a combination of colors, and black is absence of colors. In some contexts (e.g. art) white is defined as absence of colors, and black is a combination of colors.
- david-gpu 6y ago
  It is not a matter of context or definitions. It's a matter of the underlying physical process. Typical computer displays generate colors by adding light of different wavelengths. However, paint pigments generate colors by absorbing light of different wavelengths. Whether a system emits light directly, like a computer screen, or reflects incoming light, like a painted canvas, the perception of color is still determined by the wavelengths of the photons reaching the observer.
  - macspoofing 6y ago
    Heh. I guess since I engaged in pedantry, I can't complain if others do as well. I disagree though. Your argument is akin to complaining that we shouldn't use temperature because in the fundamental quantum field reality, there is no temperature. Or maybe you would complain about using various equation of fluid mechanics (all of which are at best approximations) instead of field equations to calculate behaviour of liquids. Or maybe complaining in programming that it is incorrect to reason about objects or monads because it's just bitshifts and logic gates underneath. The notion in art that 'white is the absence of color, and black is a combination of colors' is a useful abstraction for that particular domain because the canvas is white, and black can be made by mixing paint colors. It is as real as anything else that we, as humans, engage in. >the perception of color is still determined by the wavelengths of the photons reaching Not quite right. Color is not a physical process. It is brain experience and does not exist independently. It is USEFUL to sometimes map physical wavelengths of light to colors but that is context dependent. Not only would different species experience color differently for some specific wavelength, but also different humans will experience them differently as well (color blindness is one example, another one is that you can train your brain to be more receptive to color variations)

yongjik 6y ago

> You are on this council, but we do not grant you the rank of Main. > What? How can you do this?! This is outrageous! It's unfair! How can you be on the council and not be a Main?! I dunno, the dialogues were always terrible in the prequels, maybe it will improve matters. :/