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Are you sure that it is actually the EULA of Microsoft Windows that provides the basis for this decisions on court? The post make is more seems like it would b

by chme 6y ago

Are you sure that it is actually the EULA of Microsoft Windows that provides the basis for this decisions on court? The post make is more seems like it would be general consumer protection laws. Because if its based on general consumer protection laws, then how would that translate to choosing your own operating systems on smartphones, smartwatches, gaming consoles and the like?

seba_dos1 6y ago
It should translate directly. Personally I only buy gaming consoles that can be jailbroken, smartphones that you can install any GNU/Linux distro on etc. and I refuse to treat them any other way I'd treat a PC. That said, there are way more people not wanting Windows on their laptops than people who do what I do, and look how the issue of refunds over pre-installed Windows is still newsworthy now in 2021.
- gowld 6y ago
  It's newsworthy because it's rare, not common.
  - seba_dos1 6y ago
    That's exactly my point.
0110101001 6y ago
The EULA says: > If you do not accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or its features. You may contact the device manufacturer or installer, or your retailer if you purchased the software directly, to determine its return policy and return the software or device for a refund or credit under that policy. You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire device on which the software is installed for a refund or credit, if any. And the article says: > Finally, in December 2020, the Court of Monza rejected all Lenovo's arguments, confirming that the right to reimbursement of the pre-installed software was due. The sentence pointed out that the manufacturer itself had expressly assumed this obligation in the Windows licence.
- andrewnicolalde 6y ago
  > You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire device on which the software is installed for a refund or credit, if any. I wonder what they mean by "device." Device as in the hard drive or device as in the entire computer? Surely having to return the entire computer defeats the point of Windows' refund policy?
  - easton 6y ago
    Device means computer, what that means is either “return the computer or the OEM license to the manufacturer for a refund”, which is to say that you get all of your money back if the computer is returned, not just the hardware cost.
- gowld 6y ago
  That decision is completely unsupported by the quoted EULA text.

by chme 6y ago

seba_dos1 6y ago

It should translate directly. Personally I only buy gaming consoles that can be jailbroken, smartphones that you can install any GNU/Linux distro on etc. and I refuse to treat them any other way I'd treat a PC. That said, there are way more people not wanting Windows on their laptops than people who do what I do, and look how the issue of refunds over pre-installed Windows is still newsworthy now in 2021.

gowld 6y ago
It's newsworthy because it's rare, not common.
- seba_dos1 6y ago
  That's exactly my point.

0110101001 6y ago

The EULA says: > If you do not accept and comply with these terms, you may not use the software or its features. You may contact the device manufacturer or installer, or your retailer if you purchased the software directly, to determine its return policy and return the software or device for a refund or credit under that policy. You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire device on which the software is installed for a refund or credit, if any. And the article says: > Finally, in December 2020, the Court of Monza rejected all Lenovo's arguments, confirming that the right to reimbursement of the pre-installed software was due. The sentence pointed out that the manufacturer itself had expressly assumed this obligation in the Windows licence.

andrewnicolalde 6y ago
> You must comply with that policy, which might require you to return the software with the entire device on which the software is installed for a refund or credit, if any. I wonder what they mean by "device." Device as in the hard drive or device as in the entire computer? Surely having to return the entire computer defeats the point of Windows' refund policy?
- easton 6y ago
  Device means computer, what that means is either “return the computer or the OEM license to the manufacturer for a refund”, which is to say that you get all of your money back if the computer is returned, not just the hardware cost.
gowld 6y ago
That decision is completely unsupported by the quoted EULA text.