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The total mobile phone shipment in China for 2020 is 326 millions. You are telling me there are a huge industry outside these numbers. I don't know what to say

The total mobile phone shipment in China for 2020 is 326 millions. You are telling me there are a huge industry outside these numbers. I don't know what to say to be honest. Mobile phones are the last to have knockoffs, because the price range is so large you can get something decent at any given price. I wouldn't trust some random documentary more than real knowledge on the ground. One industry I won't disagree with you is brands, clothing, Nike/Adidas for example. The problem is still affordability. The consumerism has educated people to value brands, and they will buy counterfeits when they cannot afford it. I don't blame people buying counterfeits to be honest, people make financial decisions based on their circumstances, either setting a trust to avoid taxation, or a shell company, to buy some counterfeits product they cannot afford.

neonological 6y ago
Or that number could be total bs like the majority of economic data coming out of China. Where did you get that number and how do you know that number doesn’t include knock offs? That documentary showed real knowledge on the ground. It literally filmed someone buying a knockoff from a mall that sold only knockoffs. Like come on, that’s as close to on the ground knowledge you can get. All I need you to do is explain where that knockoff in that video came from and why I see these knockoffs all over the place every time I go to Shenzhen. The topic of this conversation is not about your disagreement with counterfeiting or not. I don’t care about whether you blame anyone or not. The topic is about whether or not such an industry of cheaters exists in China. Your initial claim is that they don’t. My claim is that not only do they exist but they’re everywhere in China. The entire Chinese culture is all about scams and the people buying and selling pirated goods play a huge part in this culture.
- powerapple 6y ago
  I am not questioning that there are cheaters in China. There are 1.4 billion people, any subset of those 1.4b will look huge to anyone. And no, I disagree that Chinese culture is all about scams and buying/selling pirated goods. Business is the least part of Chinese culture, a Chinese billionaire would rather his children to be doctors or lawyers, business owners are not perceived the same as professionals. Yes, we do have a saying that 'all businessmen are corrupted', because its profit driven nature of business. We also believe building trust and relations is the only base you can build your business. Buying and selling pirated goods do exist, and they are not scams. As I said, it is a response to the consumerism world, it is good that you don't have to rob a store or steal money to buy the real thing. China is the biggest market for many foreign brands, it is a fact. Nike won't report profit from fake Nike shoes. Anyway, thank you for making the effort to educate a Chinese about China and Chinese culture. Enjoy your day.
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  - neonological 6y ago
    It is very strange that you're chinese and can't recognize the behavior of your own country. Of course a chinese billionaire will want their children to be doctors. Every chinese person wants that. But not every chinese person can be a billionaire let alone a doctor. So what do these people do when they can't be rich like you? They cheat. They hustle. You ever heard of the lost generation? It's a generation of cheaters. I'm chinese as well and I can tell you, it's pretty sad that I have to educate a chinese person about chinese culture. The united States, like china, has many issues. But unlike china its citizens face these issues head on. Is there racism in the US? Yes. How does the US deal with racists? By protesting and criticizing them and demanding change. Are there economic issues in the US? Yes. And citizens deal with the issue by talking openly about it and discussing ways to move forward. How does a chinese person deal with rampant cheating in their culture? By denying its existence. Not only do you deny its existence, but your government makes damn sure that you better deny it or face the consequences.

neonological 6y ago

Or that number could be total bs like the majority of economic data coming out of China. Where did you get that number and how do you know that number doesn’t include knock offs? That documentary showed real knowledge on the ground. It literally filmed someone buying a knockoff from a mall that sold only knockoffs. Like come on, that’s as close to on the ground knowledge you can get. All I need you to do is explain where that knockoff in that video came from and why I see these knockoffs all over the place every time I go to Shenzhen. The topic of this conversation is not about your disagreement with counterfeiting or not. I don’t care about whether you blame anyone or not. The topic is about whether or not such an industry of cheaters exists in China. Your initial claim is that they don’t. My claim is that not only do they exist but they’re everywhere in China. The entire Chinese culture is all about scams and the people buying and selling pirated goods play a huge part in this culture.

powerapple 6y ago
I am not questioning that there are cheaters in China. There are 1.4 billion people, any subset of those 1.4b will look huge to anyone. And no, I disagree that Chinese culture is all about scams and buying/selling pirated goods. Business is the least part of Chinese culture, a Chinese billionaire would rather his children to be doctors or lawyers, business owners are not perceived the same as professionals. Yes, we do have a saying that 'all businessmen are corrupted', because its profit driven nature of business. We also believe building trust and relations is the only base you can build your business. Buying and selling pirated goods do exist, and they are not scams. As I said, it is a response to the consumerism world, it is good that you don't have to rob a store or steal money to buy the real thing. China is the biggest market for many foreign brands, it is a fact. Nike won't report profit from fake Nike shoes. Anyway, thank you for making the effort to educate a Chinese about China and Chinese culture. Enjoy your day.
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- neonological 6y ago
  It is very strange that you're chinese and can't recognize the behavior of your own country. Of course a chinese billionaire will want their children to be doctors. Every chinese person wants that. But not every chinese person can be a billionaire let alone a doctor. So what do these people do when they can't be rich like you? They cheat. They hustle. You ever heard of the lost generation? It's a generation of cheaters. I'm chinese as well and I can tell you, it's pretty sad that I have to educate a chinese person about chinese culture. The united States, like china, has many issues. But unlike china its citizens face these issues head on. Is there racism in the US? Yes. How does the US deal with racists? By protesting and criticizing them and demanding change. Are there economic issues in the US? Yes. And citizens deal with the issue by talking openly about it and discussing ways to move forward. How does a chinese person deal with rampant cheating in their culture? By denying its existence. Not only do you deny its existence, but your government makes damn sure that you better deny it or face the consequences.