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I was stunned while purchasing my most recent firearm (about 6 months ago). I watched multiple middle aged, nicely dressed ladies purchasing guns. One lady ev

I was stunned while purchasing my most recent firearm (about 6 months ago). I watched multiple middle aged, nicely dressed ladies purchasing guns. One lady even had the new gun taken away from her because she was pointing it at others (not on purpose) while the store employee processed the transaction. I can't blame them, this past year we've all witnessed that our society can quickly change into something that is unrecognizable.

WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
To be honest, if there truly is 50% of the population that thinks rushing the capital to stop a new elected government from existing, it's not the end of the world to think some undesirable minorities might not be wanted. 2 blocks down, there's still a TRUMP 2020 flag with a nazi flag right under it so I'm keeping my AR-15 nearby.
- ceilingcorner 6y ago
  You do realize that not 50% of the population rushed the Capitol, right?
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    That is true but there could be a large subset of those who voted for Trump who also support the actions of those who rushed the Capitol. I do find it terrifying to picture 74 million people rushing the Capitol
    - ceilingcorner 6y ago
      could be Yeah, I think you are just making this all up in your head.
      - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
        Sadly, I wish it was true, attacks against Asian Americans are already higher than the past 10 years, so certain undesirables are already being targeted.
        ceilingcorner 6y ago
        What does that have to do with rushing the Capitol? And by what measure are you tying Capitol-rush-supporters to people that attack Asian-Americans?
        WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
        Do I really have to explain to you how certain Nazi / Confederate methodologies consider other races lower than them? And are willing to inflict violence on these other races?
        ceilingcorner 6y ago
        Again, what does that have to do with the original question? And are you sure that increased crime rates against Asians are coming from that same source? I don't think you understand this situation very well.
        throwitaway1235 6y ago
        Young black men are responsible for the recent wave of violence against Asians. Race is the single greatest predictor of violent crime, not gun legalization, everyone knows this but unfortunately we are a society addicted to lies.
        peytn 6y ago
        I’d hesitate to draw a causal link without looking at the data and disproving other hypotheses, particularly when it comes to media narratives in 2021. For example, do elderly Asians tend to carry lots of cash, making them attractive targets for criminals? In other parts of the world, what does targeted racism against a suddenly vilified minority look like? Are random racially motivated street assaults a common occurrence, and how else would we expect this sort of targeted racism to manifest? Does that match what’s happening here? I don’t know. I know we can’t get by on feelings that are stirred by others who wish to do our thinking for us.
- Dem_Boys 6y ago
  > 50% of the population that thinks rushing the capital This is bad thinking IMO. If we expand upon this logic: - 50% wants to rush the capital - 50% want to riot in the streets and burn down businesses Then we essentially live in a war zone and that AR-15 is nowhere near enough firepower to protect you.
  - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
    This is true, but humans aren't stupid. People's fight or flight instinct will kick in... one shot through the neck is enough to stop a capital rush.
- SauciestGNU 6y ago
  In the space of last summer I was assaulted by police, a group of III%ers moved onto my block, and there were talks at high levels of the government about designating my politics as terrorism. Now I have guns. But I hope I'll never have to use them against another person. Meanwhile, I train regularly and I've found target shooting to be a really relaxing and meditative pursuit.
  - the_only_law 6y ago
    Yeah there are a number of various factions across the US that vocally want to drive society in a direction actively hostile to me and my friends. Many of these have subgroups that engage in military-like training. Best fucking believe I’ve thought about fucking off to somewhere out of the way and building a fort recently.
wavefunction 6y ago
She was of course pointing it at other people on purpose, because where the firearm is pointed is a purposeful decision by the wielder. This sort of casual and incredibly dangerous treatment of firearms is why I support rigorous training and licensing requirements for firearms ownership in the US, despite being an owner myself and hunting enthusiast. Too many irresponsible people have incredibly easy access to firearms in the country.
- Dem_Boys 6y ago
  Your point is valid and I agree. It was obvious this lady never handled a gun. I wonder how many people get killed/injured due to lack of training? I would argue that not having training is just as bad as not having a gun at all. If life is in danger, why would I reach for this thing (a gun) that I don't know how to use properly?
  - alphabettsy 6y ago
    Not having training could be worse in many cases and you end up injuring yourself or loved ones in a situation thats not supposed to be dangerous, ex. Showing it off, cleaning, just having it where children are concerned, etc.
  - meowster 6y ago
    As long as the laws were carefully written, and it doesn't become a barrier to anyone any more than driver's ed is a barrier to driving, I wouldn't mind requiring people to take a short basic class on gun ownership and use in order to purchase or obtain: These are the four basic rules of firearm safety, this is how you wear PPE, this is how you remove ammo from a gun, this is how you load a gun, and this is how you shoot, then shoot a few rounds so people can experience the noise and kick. Shouldn't be more than a 2 hour class and cost more than $50 ammo included. (I'm an American gun owner and enjoy using the range every now and then.)
  - giardini 6y ago
    Dem_Boys says " If life is in danger, why would I reach for this thing (a gun) that I don't know how to use properly?" Thanks largely to movies you very likely can a gun. For example a double action revolver requires merely pointing and pulling the trigger. Even a blind man can shoot a gun: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blind+man+shoots+assailant& https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blind+man+shoots+assailant& Often the mere appearance of a firearm in the hands of a victim is enough to convice an attacker(s) to leave. And shooting a firearm, whether anyone is hit or not, attracts all kinds of attention from neighbors and police.

WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago

To be honest, if there truly is 50% of the population that thinks rushing the capital to stop a new elected government from existing, it's not the end of the world to think some undesirable minorities might not be wanted. 2 blocks down, there's still a TRUMP 2020 flag with a nazi flag right under it so I'm keeping my AR-15 nearby.

ceilingcorner 6y ago
You do realize that not 50% of the population rushed the Capitol, right?
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
  That is true but there could be a large subset of those who voted for Trump who also support the actions of those who rushed the Capitol. I do find it terrifying to picture 74 million people rushing the Capitol
  - ceilingcorner 6y ago
    could be Yeah, I think you are just making this all up in your head.
    - WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
      Sadly, I wish it was true, attacks against Asian Americans are already higher than the past 10 years, so certain undesirables are already being targeted.
      - ceilingcorner 6y ago
        What does that have to do with rushing the Capitol? And by what measure are you tying Capitol-rush-supporters to people that attack Asian-Americans?
        WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
        Do I really have to explain to you how certain Nazi / Confederate methodologies consider other races lower than them? And are willing to inflict violence on these other races?
        ceilingcorner 6y ago
        Again, what does that have to do with the original question? And are you sure that increased crime rates against Asians are coming from that same source? I don't think you understand this situation very well.
        throwitaway1235 6y ago
        Young black men are responsible for the recent wave of violence against Asians. Race is the single greatest predictor of violent crime, not gun legalization, everyone knows this but unfortunately we are a society addicted to lies.
      - peytn 6y ago
        I’d hesitate to draw a causal link without looking at the data and disproving other hypotheses, particularly when it comes to media narratives in 2021. For example, do elderly Asians tend to carry lots of cash, making them attractive targets for criminals? In other parts of the world, what does targeted racism against a suddenly vilified minority look like? Are random racially motivated street assaults a common occurrence, and how else would we expect this sort of targeted racism to manifest? Does that match what’s happening here? I don’t know. I know we can’t get by on feelings that are stirred by others who wish to do our thinking for us.
Dem_Boys 6y ago
> 50% of the population that thinks rushing the capital This is bad thinking IMO. If we expand upon this logic: - 50% wants to rush the capital - 50% want to riot in the streets and burn down businesses Then we essentially live in a war zone and that AR-15 is nowhere near enough firepower to protect you.
- WrtCdEvrydy 6y ago
  This is true, but humans aren't stupid. People's fight or flight instinct will kick in... one shot through the neck is enough to stop a capital rush.
SauciestGNU 6y ago
In the space of last summer I was assaulted by police, a group of III%ers moved onto my block, and there were talks at high levels of the government about designating my politics as terrorism. Now I have guns. But I hope I'll never have to use them against another person. Meanwhile, I train regularly and I've found target shooting to be a really relaxing and meditative pursuit.
- the_only_law 6y ago
  Yeah there are a number of various factions across the US that vocally want to drive society in a direction actively hostile to me and my friends. Many of these have subgroups that engage in military-like training. Best fucking believe I’ve thought about fucking off to somewhere out of the way and building a fort recently.

wavefunction 6y ago

She was of course pointing it at other people on purpose, because where the firearm is pointed is a purposeful decision by the wielder. This sort of casual and incredibly dangerous treatment of firearms is why I support rigorous training and licensing requirements for firearms ownership in the US, despite being an owner myself and hunting enthusiast. Too many irresponsible people have incredibly easy access to firearms in the country.

Dem_Boys 6y ago
Your point is valid and I agree. It was obvious this lady never handled a gun. I wonder how many people get killed/injured due to lack of training? I would argue that not having training is just as bad as not having a gun at all. If life is in danger, why would I reach for this thing (a gun) that I don't know how to use properly?
- alphabettsy 6y ago
  Not having training could be worse in many cases and you end up injuring yourself or loved ones in a situation thats not supposed to be dangerous, ex. Showing it off, cleaning, just having it where children are concerned, etc.
- meowster 6y ago
  As long as the laws were carefully written, and it doesn't become a barrier to anyone any more than driver's ed is a barrier to driving, I wouldn't mind requiring people to take a short basic class on gun ownership and use in order to purchase or obtain: These are the four basic rules of firearm safety, this is how you wear PPE, this is how you remove ammo from a gun, this is how you load a gun, and this is how you shoot, then shoot a few rounds so people can experience the noise and kick. Shouldn't be more than a 2 hour class and cost more than $50 ammo included. (I'm an American gun owner and enjoy using the range every now and then.)
- giardini 6y ago
  Dem_Boys says " If life is in danger, why would I reach for this thing (a gun) that I don't know how to use properly?" Thanks largely to movies you very likely can a gun. For example a double action revolver requires merely pointing and pulling the trigger. Even a blind man can shoot a gun: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blind+man+shoots+assailant& https://duckduckgo.com/?q=blind+man+shoots+assailant& Often the mere appearance of a firearm in the hands of a victim is enough to convice an attacker(s) to leave. And shooting a firearm, whether anyone is hit or not, attracts all kinds of attention from neighbors and police.