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Unfortunately we've seen the same trend with low-fat, Atkins, keto, etc. All of them are probably fine in that they, at first, forced you to avoid all the proc

Unfortunately we've seen the same trend with low-fat, Atkins, keto, etc. All of them are probably fine in that they, at first, forced you to avoid all the processed crap. But eventually it became too profitable a segment to ignore for the food industry and suddenly it is easy to eat 5,000 calories a day of keto desserts.

incrudible 6y ago
It's not as easy to consume excess calories with fats/protein as it is with simple carbs. These are quickly processed, spike your blood sugar, cause insulin overload, which in turns lowers your blood sugar to the point where you're hungry again. Fats/protein take longer to process and are more satiating. That's not to say you couldn't consume 5,000 calories of them in one sitting, but you wouldn't be hungry again any time soon.
- shlant 6y ago
  protein is 4 calories per gram (same as carbs). Fibre content has a big effect on satiety. Fat is 9 calories per gram. Fat is incredibly easy to over-consume by the very nature of it being more calorically dense and having very little fibre.
  - incrudible 6y ago
    Nobody who has ever been on a high-fat diet will corroborate this. You can't just compare calories like that. As for fibre, I disagree that it is satiating. It may make you feel "full", but that is not the same as being satiated. Your body doesn't tell you to "stop eating" just because your stomach is full of matter that it doesn't actually process. Blood sugar plays a role, as do many other things. If it were any different, diets based around eating lots of high-volume/low-calorie food should "just work", but they just don't.
- cageface 6y ago
  Protein spikes your insulin just as much as carbs do. A steak will raise your insulin levels more than a plate of spaghetti. Whole carbs with the fiber intact can be quite satiating. Most of the problems people attribute to carbs really only pertain to refined carbs.
  - hirundo 6y ago
    This is definitely not my experience as measured with a continuous blood glucose monitor. I repeatedly and reliably got a much lower excursion from a steak than from pasta. There is a lot of idiosyncrasy in these responses but my pattern is the usual. This chart is typical: https://i0.wp.com/www.gestationaldiabetes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Macronutrients-impact-on-blood-glucose-2.png?resize=800%2C587&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/www.gestationaldiabetes.co.uk/wp-content/u...
  - incrudible 6y ago
    > Protein spikes your insulin just as much as carbs do. A steak will raise your insulin levels more than a plate of spaghetti. Maybe on paper, but it's not the same effect. If I eat a steak, my blood sugar doesn't go up and then way down, it stays constant. I'm not going to be hungry soon afterwards. > Most of the problems people attribute to carbs really only pertain to refined carbs. I did explicitly refer to "simple carbs" and "excess consumption".
  - Daho0n 6y ago
    Either I'm built different than other people (and so is the other commentator) or this is wrong. I used a blood glucose monitor to see how my body actually reacted to what I ate. Besides, even if true, it doesn't matter. What most people seem to misunderstand is that the body simply doesn't react the same in ketosis. On keto I could eat a meal and my insulin levels didn't change much, unlike off keto where it is s constant up and down no matter what I eat. In other words in ketosis the spike if I eat an apple is way less than if not in ketosis. Edit since I can't reply to the reply: >the idea that carbs = fat That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. No-one eating keto have ever said that or they would only eat candy. And yes you can look it up but insulin level index is only like 1/10 of the story. The fact is still that if a vegan eat an apple the blood spike is higher than if someone in ketosis does. Higher spike = hungry faster, which is the whole point of keto. 1 calorie from non-fat != 1 calorie from fat.

incrudible 6y ago

It's not as easy to consume excess calories with fats/protein as it is with simple carbs. These are quickly processed, spike your blood sugar, cause insulin overload, which in turns lowers your blood sugar to the point where you're hungry again. Fats/protein take longer to process and are more satiating. That's not to say you couldn't consume 5,000 calories of them in one sitting, but you wouldn't be hungry again any time soon.

shlant 6y ago
protein is 4 calories per gram (same as carbs). Fibre content has a big effect on satiety. Fat is 9 calories per gram. Fat is incredibly easy to over-consume by the very nature of it being more calorically dense and having very little fibre.
- incrudible 6y ago
  Nobody who has ever been on a high-fat diet will corroborate this. You can't just compare calories like that. As for fibre, I disagree that it is satiating. It may make you feel "full", but that is not the same as being satiated. Your body doesn't tell you to "stop eating" just because your stomach is full of matter that it doesn't actually process. Blood sugar plays a role, as do many other things. If it were any different, diets based around eating lots of high-volume/low-calorie food should "just work", but they just don't.
cageface 6y ago
Protein spikes your insulin just as much as carbs do. A steak will raise your insulin levels more than a plate of spaghetti. Whole carbs with the fiber intact can be quite satiating. Most of the problems people attribute to carbs really only pertain to refined carbs.
- hirundo 6y ago
  This is definitely not my experience as measured with a continuous blood glucose monitor. I repeatedly and reliably got a much lower excursion from a steak than from pasta. There is a lot of idiosyncrasy in these responses but my pattern is the usual. This chart is typical: https://i0.wp.com/www.gestationaldiabetes.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Macronutrients-impact-on-blood-glucose-2.png?resize=800%2C587&ssl=1 https://i0.wp.com/www.gestationaldiabetes.co.uk/wp-content/u...
- incrudible 6y ago
  > Protein spikes your insulin just as much as carbs do. A steak will raise your insulin levels more than a plate of spaghetti. Maybe on paper, but it's not the same effect. If I eat a steak, my blood sugar doesn't go up and then way down, it stays constant. I'm not going to be hungry soon afterwards. > Most of the problems people attribute to carbs really only pertain to refined carbs. I did explicitly refer to "simple carbs" and "excess consumption".
- Daho0n 6y ago
  Either I'm built different than other people (and so is the other commentator) or this is wrong. I used a blood glucose monitor to see how my body actually reacted to what I ate. Besides, even if true, it doesn't matter. What most people seem to misunderstand is that the body simply doesn't react the same in ketosis. On keto I could eat a meal and my insulin levels didn't change much, unlike off keto where it is s constant up and down no matter what I eat. In other words in ketosis the spike if I eat an apple is way less than if not in ketosis. Edit since I can't reply to the reply: >the idea that carbs = fat That is the most stupid thing I have ever heard. No-one eating keto have ever said that or they would only eat candy. And yes you can look it up but insulin level index is only like 1/10 of the story. The fact is still that if a vegan eat an apple the blood spike is higher than if someone in ketosis does. Higher spike = hungry faster, which is the whole point of keto. 1 calorie from non-fat != 1 calorie from fat.